ToneFiddler
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couldn't find any info on the product page and i don't own one yet.
SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
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ToneFiddler
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
the first one. what is the production standard?
i know i can get everything i want from the custom shop, but that‘s not really an option if you‘re from europe
the first one. what is the production standard?
i know i can get everything i want from the custom shop, but that‘s not really an option if you‘re from europe
ToneFiddler
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
yes! so that's why i can't see if it's staggered (from photos).
It comes also in the set with the Broadcaster STL-1B (unstaggered Bridge)
or with the Vintage '54 STL-1 (staggered Bridge).
No info on the neck stagger.
i have no clue, if an unstaggered neck is vintage correct 'til 1954 and if they added a stagger for the neck in 1954 also.
i hope it's has NO stagger! because i own a '54 stl-1 Bridge only, and i like the sound in general, but the string balance is way off with that raised D and G with my compound radius of 10-16". Don't want to make the same mistake again. so i just want to make sure it's unstaggered
yes! so that's why i can't see if it's staggered (from photos).
It comes also in the set with the Broadcaster STL-1B (unstaggered Bridge)
or with the Vintage '54 STL-1 (staggered Bridge).
No info on the neck stagger.
i have no clue, if an unstaggered neck is vintage correct 'til 1954 and if they added a stagger for the neck in 1954 also.
i hope it's has NO stagger! because i own a '54 stl-1 Bridge only, and i like the sound in general, but the string balance is way off with that raised D and G with my compound radius of 10-16". Don't want to make the same mistake again. so i just want to make sure it's unstaggered
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beaubrummels
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
I didn’t think 50’s Tele necks were ever staggered under the cover.
I didn’t think 50’s Tele necks were ever staggered under the cover.
ToneFiddler
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
funny
would have thought somebody knew for sure.
i would put my money on unstaggered.
so, seems to me Leo Fender did quite a sloppy job in '54 when he introduced the stagger for the Bridge, but left out the neck
that, or maybe just the aftermarket pickup makers
funny
would have thought somebody knew for sure.
i would put my money on unstaggered.
so, seems to me Leo Fender did quite a sloppy job in '54 when he introduced the stagger for the Bridge, but left out the neck
that, or maybe just the aftermarket pickup makers
ToneFiddler
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
the ones? STL-1s??? or tele necks in General?
Anyway, i asked the support directly. i'll report back.
the ones? STL-1s??? or tele necks in General?
Anyway, i asked the support directly. i'll report back.
ItsaBass
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
In general, Tele neck pickups do not have staggered magnets.
I doubt that the Duncan pickup is an exception.
This is a question for the Duncan company, directly, if you must have a definitive answer. But we can say that a staggered Tele neck pickup would be the exception rather than the norm.
In general, Tele neck pickups do not have staggered magnets.
I doubt that the Duncan pickup is an exception.
This is a question for the Duncan company, directly, if you must have a definitive answer. But we can say that a staggered Tele neck pickup would be the exception rather than the norm.
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The Tele neck pickup is one hardly ever seen uncovered. So it stands to reason that not many have knowledge of what is underneath the cover.
And I'm sure Leo got it right with the method behind the stagger during the design process. He would have had a lot more insight into what the pickup had to do after all. Even if you'd engaged in a small amount of thought about metal covers, vibration, microphonic feedback and gaps that a stagger would have created would tell you all you need to know about how to make such a pickup.
funny
would have thought somebody knew for sure.
i would put my money on unstaggered.
so, seems to me Leo Fender did quite a sloppy job in '54 when he introduced the stagger for the Bridge, but left out the neck
that, or maybe just the aftermarket pickup makers
The Tele neck pickup is one hardly ever seen uncovered. So it stands to reason that not many have knowledge of what is underneath the cover.
And I'm sure Leo got it right with the method behind the stagger during the design process. He would have had a lot more insight into what the pickup had to do after all. Even if you'd engaged in a small amount of thought about metal covers, vibration, microphonic feedback and gaps that a stagger would have created would tell you all you need to know about how to make such a pickup.
ToneFiddler
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
Well nobody forced him to keep the chrome cover. he didn't use it on the strats.
the cover wasn't vintage or traditional back then.
still no answer from the SD support
Well nobody forced him to keep the chrome cover. he didn't use it on the strats.
the cover wasn't vintage or traditional back then.
still no answer from the SD support
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However Teles kept the neck cover after the introduction of the strat. Suggesting that it was a choice, even if the option was impossible before the strat pickup was designed.
You seem overly determined to find any excuse to make out the guitar was of poor design......why is that?
However Teles kept the neck cover after the introduction of the strat. Suggesting that it was a choice, even if the option was impossible before the strat pickup was designed.
You seem overly determined to find any excuse to make out the guitar was of poor design......why is that?
beaubrummels
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SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
The cover is a shield. The telecaster electronics from end to end were designed to reduce noise and be easy to repair/maintain, and IME it works quite effectively.
Removing the shield later, eg on strats, I believe was to brighten the sound, but at the expense of a little more noise.
The cover is a shield. The telecaster electronics from end to end were designed to reduce noise and be easy to repair/maintain, and IME it works quite effectively.
Removing the shield later, eg on strats, I believe was to brighten the sound, but at the expense of a little more noise.
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ToneFiddler
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
yes, the cover is good for shielding. i know it kills some highs, especially when it's made out of brass (doesn't have to be a bad thing! in fact i want something less piercing than my twang king for that guitar)
@AlexR
i don't dislike the Tele design. no, in fact i love it!
it was meant as a joke! you see that smiley?
I just don't understand, when he introduced the stagger (i think i know the reasons for it) for the bridge, why he left out the neck.
Just doesn't seem logical to me.
If you go through all that hassle for the different sized Magnets because the volume difference it's seems rather important, then why stop at the Bridge Pickup. If it worked for the Neck without the stagger it wasn't that important after all???
The thought he just forgot about the neck (stagger) is quite funny to me. i don't say he actually forgot. just the thought.
And as mentioned i am glad if the SD vintage tele neck or any tele neck doesn't have a stagger, because i am not into small fingerboard radii (and wound 3rd). i am sad the '54 bridge features a stagger, and custom shop is too pricey from Europe.
yes, the cover is good for shielding. i know it kills some highs, especially when it's made out of brass (doesn't have to be a bad thing! in fact i want something less piercing than my twang king for that guitar)
@AlexR
i don't dislike the Tele design. no, in fact i love it!
it was meant as a joke! you see that smiley?
I just don't understand, when he introduced the stagger (i think i know the reasons for it) for the bridge, why he left out the neck.
Just doesn't seem logical to me.
If you go through all that hassle for the different sized Magnets because the volume difference it's seems rather important, then why stop at the Bridge Pickup. If it worked for the Neck without the stagger it wasn't that important after all???
The thought he just forgot about the neck (stagger) is quite funny to me. i don't say he actually forgot. just the thought.
And as mentioned i am glad if the SD vintage tele neck or any tele neck doesn't have a stagger, because i am not into small fingerboard radii (and wound 3rd). i am sad the '54 bridge features a stagger, and custom shop is too pricey from Europe.
beaubrummels
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
To my knowledge reading about him, Leo was quite practical and very pragmatic. He was into electronics, he was not a musician or artist. He solved problems, but only when a problem manifested. If he staggered the bridge and not the neck, he was trying to solve a problem that only bridges were known to have at the time.
IME I haven’t heard a Tele neck where I thought something was so wrong that it needed staggered poles to solve. But I think the cover might mask any nuances that staggering might provide.
To my knowledge reading about him, Leo was quite practical and very pragmatic. He was into electronics, he was not a musician or artist. He solved problems, but only when a problem manifested. If he staggered the bridge and not the neck, he was trying to solve a problem that only bridges were known to have at the time.
IME I haven’t heard a Tele neck where I thought something was so wrong that it needed staggered poles to solve. But I think the cover might mask any nuances that staggering might provide.
ToneFiddler
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Re: SD VINTAGE TELE NECK STR-1 staggered or non staggered?
ok, now i think i can understand.
i have no experience with small finger board radii combined with single Coils and stagger. (only one gretsch with filtertrons and i don't see any advantage with that radius, only cons. so no more small radi for me).
So my thoughts are highly theoretical (instead of pragmatic) and i have no way of telling if the stagger is audible on a tradtional tele.
ok, now i think i can understand.
i have no experience with small finger board radii combined with single Coils and stagger. (only one gretsch with filtertrons and i don't see any advantage with that radius, only cons. so no more small radi for me).
So my thoughts are highly theoretical (instead of pragmatic) and i have no way of telling if the stagger is audible on a tradtional tele.
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I think the unique sound of a Tele neck pickup, to me, is something I don't particularly like, so I never got to the point of comparing the details between them.
I think the unique sound of a Tele neck pickup, to me, is something I don't particularly like, so I never got to the point of comparing the details between them.
