Series / parallel wiring help.

[Will S-T]

Helping out a mate with his project which is already wired up
but need to incorporate this feature into the build.

Ok, here's the current layout.
Two single conductor pickups in a pretty standard LP configuration,
but with a master volume at the end of the chain.
This master vol pot is also a push pull so I asked him what feature
he'd like to have and he wanted a boost type option, hence the series/parallel thing.
Guitar is using a standard 3 way toggle for pickup selection and modern volume wiring.

So, can someone please help me out with a diagram to use the push/pull mater volume
pot to do this.

Thanks in advance.
Will

 

[Artie]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

So, you want to use a push-pull switch to place both pickups into series? Ala, the old Gibson LS-6?

 

[Will S-T]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

So, you want to use a push-pull switch to place both pickups into series? Ala, the old Gibson LS-6?

Yes Sir.

(Was hoping you or Hermetico would chime in!)

Cheers

 

[Artie]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

That's why I'm here.

Both pups are single conductor? Aka, co-axial?

 

[Will S-T]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

That's why I'm here.

Both pups are single conductor? Aka, co-axial?

The bridge filtertron is for sure though don't know about the neck mini HB. It's a Gibson copy I believe, maybe Artec.
Cheers:friday:

 

[hermetico]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

Yes Sir.

(Was hoping you or Hermetico would chime in!)

Cheers

BRO, YOU KNOW YOU CAN DIRECTLY EMAIL OR CALL ME ANYTIME!!!!
You are getting older!

 

[hermetico]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

The bridge filtertron is for sure though don't know about the neck mini HB. It's a Gibson copy I believe, maybe Artec.
Cheers:friday:

Even that could be done as they are, this would "positivize your plate ground" and, this could catch lots of unwanted noises and interferences.
Best way is to open pickups and transform them into 3-wires pickups:
- hot
- negative
- plate ground

That's something that Blueman did a bunch of times with its Phat Cats.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

Even that could be done as they are, this would "positivize your plate ground" and, this could catch lots of unwanted noises and interferences.
Best way is to open pickups and transform them into 3-wires pickups:
- hot
- negative
- plate ground

That's something that Blueman did a bunch of times with its Phat Cats.

Yes! Hermetico's wiring diagram is great. Works like a charm. It makes a 'virtual' humbucker from the two single coils, louder and warmer, ideal for solos. This should be standard on guitars with P-90's or Fender single coils. Just as HB's have push-pulls for coil cut, this does the reverse and combines single coils into an HB.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

I'll just say that I prefer the tone of split. It's livelier and seems like a stronger tone. More fun.

Parallel is humbucking...gotta like that. But the tone itself is slightly weaker, not as lively and a little more compressed sounding.

 

[hermetico]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

I'll just say that I prefer the tone of split. It's livelier and seems like a stronger tone. More fun.

Parallel is humbucking...gotta like that. But the tone itself is slightly weaker, not as lively and a little more compressed sounding.

Yup, it always depends on pickups, anyway.
High output and dark pickups can be on heaven with a parellel wiring.

 

[Will S-T]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

BRO, YOU KNOW YOU CAN DIRECTLY EMAIL OR CALL ME ANYTIME!!!!
You are getting older!

I know mate, but I thought I'd put it here as it might be of interest to others.

Well, I removed the pickups to see what brand the neck mini bucker was
and it's a good thing I did. This guy has gone nuts with shielding foil and
every component including pickup bodies and even the Filtertron polepieces
make contact with it and there is no way any signal could escape ground.
On further inspection of the existing wiring it too is all over the place:banghead:

Oh and it didn't have a string ground either.

So, everything has been stripped from the guitar, removed all the foil from offending areas,
drilled and refitted a string ground, the bridge and pickups. Have to desolder all the existing
wires from the pots and supply new caps as the leads will be too short after removal.
Don't even know what values they are anyway, there was even one on what is supposed
to be the master volume FFS!

So far, he's wasted about 3 hours of his time and about 22 beers of mine, plus a bottle of
Bookers Bourbon by the time I'm finished.

Well my friends, what I need is a diagram that can link a Les Paul setup with independent
volumes and a seperate master volume push/pull pot to do series/parallel as a sort of boost
when selector is in the middle position.

You assistance is greatly appreciated.

Muchas Gracias:friday:

 

[Artie]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

This one slipped my memory. I'll work on it in the next day or so.

 

[hermetico]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

I know mate, but I thought I'd put it here as it might be of interest to others.

Well, I removed the pickups to see what brand the neck mini bucker was
and it's a good thing I did. This guy has gone nuts with shielding foil and
every component including pickup bodies and even the Filtertron polepieces
make contact with it and there is no way any signal could escape ground.
On further inspection of the existing wiring it too is all over the place:banghead:

Oh and it didn't have a string ground either.

So, everything has been stripped from the guitar, removed all the foil from offending areas,
drilled and refitted a string ground, the bridge and pickups. Have to desolder all the existing
wires from the pots and supply new caps as the leads will be too short after removal.
Don't even know what values they are anyway, there was even one on what is supposed
to be the master volume FFS!

So far, he's wasted about 3 hours of his time and about 22 beers of mine, plus a bottle of
Bookers Bourbon by the time I'm finished.

Well my friends, what I need is a diagram that can link a Les Paul setup with independent
volumes and a seperate master volume push/pull pot to do series/parallel as a sort of boost
when selector is in the middle position.

You assistance is greatly appreciated.

Muchas Gracias:friday:

I don't know if I am getting you, bro.
Do you confirm you wanted two independent volumes + one master volume (with pull/push for series thang)?.
A master tone then?

Do you want the two independent volumes to work when in parallel and then the master volume when in series? or... whaaaat?.

 

[hermetico]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

Well, according to our telephonic talk, I am attaching you that diagram.
This, together with the advice to separate pickup ground from plate ground, throwing a third conductor but, you can test it with those pair of conductors first and see if it goes not noisy at all.



You also have it in your mailbox!.
Cheers

 

[Chocklit_Thunda]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

Hi
I'm pretty interested in this wiring. Is this putting the 2 humbuckers in series using 2 conductor wire instead of 4 conductor? And could this work with a 5 way switch, HSH with a bypass switch for the bridge pickup? (This will allow neck and bridge on and an all on option)
I have my bridge and neck pickup running through SD triple shots and those only have 2 con wiring but I have a p90 in the middle. Would this pose a problem?

 

[hermetico]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

Hi
I'm pretty interested in this wiring. Is this putting the 2 humbuckers in series using 2 conductor wire instead of 4 conductor? And could this work with a 5 way switch, HSH with a bypass switch for the bridge pickup? (This will allow neck and bridge on and an all on option)
I have my bridge and neck pickup running through SD triple shots and those only have 2 con wiring but I have a p90 in the middle. Would this pose a problem?

With triple shots, everything is easier.
You will have a positive and negative exiting each triple shot so, consider your positive as the white (light blue, here) of each pickup and the negative as the bare wire in this diagram.
Then, the outputs, you should route them to the corresponding lug in the 5-way.
The green one is for the neck pickup.
The red one is for bridge pickup.
Notice than therefore, you will overwrite all 5-way positions except the middle one, with neck in series with bridge.

 

[Chocklit_Thunda]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

Ah thank you so if I wasn't using a master volume, all this would remain the same except for the pink wire, which would go straight to the lug of the output jack?
One more question though... Is it possible to use this wiring AND a phase switch for the humbuckers using the 2 con wiring? Or would they somehow cancel each other out?

 

[hermetico]

Re: Series / parallel wiring help.

Ah thank you so if I wasn't using a master volume, all this would remain the same except for the pink wire, which would go straight to the lug of the output jack?

Yup, correct!.

One more question though... Is it possible to use this wiring AND a phase switch for the humbuckers using the 2 con wiring? Or would they somehow cancel each other out?

Sure, just be sure to don't put together pickup plate ground and negative (black) wire. Then, run that couple of wires (white and black) to an out-of-phase switch BEFORE moving to other modules (serial switch, etc).
If we are talking about to put OOP neck pickup, as per this diagram...
Don't ground the "negative" path in the out-of-phaser switch, wait until you can ground it in the serial switch (see that neck volume's "ground" lug will only ground in the serial switch if selected parallel mode, otherwise, will be in series with bridge+bridge volume pot).
If we are talking about to put OOP bridge pickup, as per this diagram...
You can directly ground the "negative" path in the OOP switch.

Just be aware that, when putting the wanted pickup OOP, your coil selection in the triple shoot will be reversed. So, for a certain switch combination of triple shots, if you had inner coil, you will have now outer coil and viceversa.