serious FX loop/DD20 problems

[B2D]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

and B2D, thanks for that info. looks like i'll be looking into that mod sometime in the near future

You're welcome. And it looks like I will be adding one more thing into my list of needs for amp shopping...

Lets face the facts: I like the distortion coming out of my Fulltone OCD better than what the amp puts out on its own, and I'd rather not get the amp modded to fit my needs and then not only slightly decrease its value but make it that much harder to sell.

Looks like its off to Hollywood to test drive some amps!

 

[FretFire]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

You're welcome. And it looks like I will be adding one more thing into my list of needs for amp shopping...

Lets face the facts: I like the distortion coming out of my Fulltone OCD better than what the amp puts out on its own, and I'd rather not get the amp modded to fit my needs and then not only slightly decrease its value but make it that much harder to sell.

Looks like its off to Hollywood to test drive some amps!

I'm starting to have a similar problem . I like the distortion from the Rectoverb, but I find myself running my Zendrive (and sometimes my Spina DS-1 goosing the Zendrive) in front of the clean channel more often for dirty tones.

Makes me wonder if I need to start amp shopping, except I have no decent stores around here to shop at :smack:.

 

[B2D]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

I just had a thought...

The guys at the MESA Hollywood store have admitted to me that there is a design flaw in the Rectoverb's effects loop.

They're offering to fix the problem for $50.

I bought this amp brand spankin' new. My question is this: Why should I pay them to fix their mistake?


:wink:

I plan to give the Petaluma factory a call tomorrow.

 

[FretFire]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

You raise a good point.

My problem is that I wouldn't know what amps to start looking at if it came to that haha. My style has admittedly evolved since buying the Rectoverb. Hell I could probably get away with getting a Fender head and getting my gain from pedals since I'm so happy with that right now.

Dammit now you've got MY wheels turning! :laugh2:

 

[CapoFirstFret]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

ah, weren't we discussing almost this very thing the other night fretfire?

 

[some_dude]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

I bought this amp brand spankin' new. My question is this: Why should I pay them to fix their mistake?

They aren't fixing anything, they're bypassing the problem.

 

[B2D]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

They aren't fixing anything, they're bypassing the problem.

A problem thats inherent in the design that prohibits the loop from working properly...

analogy: You buy a new car with an automatic transmission and it slips and fails to shift properly. You take it back to the dealer and they say "Oh, thats a weird problem we have with just that model. We can swap it out to a manual transmission for $500."

What do you say to them? I hardly call that "bypassing a problem." I call it charging a customer to correct a design flaw that should have been corrected on the production line as soon as it was identified!

 

[some_dude]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

analogy: You buy a new car with an automatic transmission and it slips and fails to shift properly. You take it back to the dealer and they say "Oh, thats a weird problem we have with just that model. We can swap it out to a manual transmission for $500."

Not a very good analogy. If you've ever had waranty work done, you'll know what I mean.

Also, what you're talking about is swapping trannies to fix a tranny, this mod is more like welding the driveshaft to the flywheel.....ie, bypassing the problem.

 

[FretFire]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

ah, weren't we discussing almost this very thing the other night fretfire?

Indeed we were, I've kinda been trying to ignore it . The past week I've only used the amp on the clean channel.

 

[B2D]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

Not a very good analogy. If you've ever had waranty work done, you'll know what I mean.

Also, what you're talking about is swapping trannies to fix a tranny, this mod is more like welding the driveshaft to the flywheel.....ie, bypassing the problem.

OK fine bad analogy, I still don't see why I should pay to fix THEIR f-ups.

 

[some_dude]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

OK fine bad analogy, I still don't see why I should pay to fix THEIR f-ups.

I agree with you, but that agreement might not change anything.

I'd give the factory a call to see what they'll do....

 

[Willis]

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OK fine bad analogy, I still don't see why I should pay to fix THEIR f-ups.

I agree 100%. It's a design flaw on the part of the manufacturer, not damage done by the customer.

 

[B2D]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

I agree with you, but that agreement might not change anything.

I'd give the factory a call to see what they'll do....

Yeah, I know it might not change much. :blackeye:

The guy at the Hollywood Store did tell me to call the factory and talk to someone there. At the very least I can suggest that they make corrections on the production line.

 

[StrykeBack]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

ok since you guys quoted me at the beginning of this thread from a mesa boogie forum. I modded it myself, just call up the mesa tech support and they will e-mail you a schematic of the mod. Hardest part for me was figuring out how to get the head out of the chasis. theres 3 wires on the blend pot of the effects loop. unsolder one wire and tape it off, and unsolder another wire and solder it to the other wire that was left on. took 5 minutes.

Piece of cake. i think the issue is that there is a delay causing phasing, thats where you hear the helicopter wump sounds. Unless you had that blend knob able to go to 100 percent you were going to have issues with modulation and delay effects in that loop anyways due to feedback. modulation effects must be put through a series loop. just the way it goes.

Mines fine now. my only issue is that my pedal chain is putting too much signal into my DML 10 II delay causing digital dsitortion, and thats not the amps fault.

 

[aleclee]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

A lot of parallel loops don't play nice with pedals that pass some original signal.

The problem is that a lot of digital pedals digitize the dry signal along with the effecting signal. This causes some latency in the dry signal that creates some phase issues when mixed with the amp's dry signal.

 

[B2D]

Re: serious FX loop/DD20 problems

But if I work on it myself (as opposed to having MESA do it) doesn't that void the warranty? Not like they'll know... but does it?

I may be moving to a different amp soon anyway though so the point may be moot but if I can get that thing to work it'd be great. I miss my delay pedal.

Speaking of which I did test drive a few more amps... strangely enough none of the Hollywood stores had a Peavey JSX so it looks like the search is on again. I tried a Carvin Legacy and I really liked it.... more so than I remember. I just didn't like the fact that its was INCREDIBLY F***IN' LOUD.... to the point where its on three and the windows are rattling and you need a hotplate for it. Nice amp though!

I tried the Stiletto again (a well-kept one that didnt sound like crappo) and while its probably my favorite high-gain mesa amp I wasn't feelin' it.