Set Thru VS Set Neck?
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MetalManiac
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
Set through is brighter, and provides more sustain, but offers less of the total tone of the entire bodywood than a set neck- in the neck thru, your hearing mostly the neck itself with the wings added for more overall sustain. I like set through/ neck thru for hihger gain..for classic tone , the set neck.
Set through is brighter, and provides more sustain, but offers less of the total tone of the entire bodywood than a set neck- in the neck thru, your hearing mostly the neck itself with the wings added for more overall sustain. I like set through/ neck thru for hihger gain..for classic tone , the set neck.
Pierre
Stratologist
Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
Marketing gimmick. It's just a set neck set a little deeper. There are so many different factors influencing the sound of a guitar that this is probably just a very small difference if any. And we'll never know since we will NEVER have exactly the same guitar with just the neck joints being different.
I know it's not easy to do but as usual: play and see for yourself.
Marketing gimmick. It's just a set neck set a little deeper. There are so many different factors influencing the sound of a guitar that this is probably just a very small difference if any. And we'll never know since we will NEVER have exactly the same guitar with just the neck joints being different.
I know it's not easy to do but as usual: play and see for yourself.
MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
Oh, i thought by 'set through', that he meant 'neck through'.
Oh, i thought by 'set through', that he meant 'neck through'.
MetalManiac
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
I believe most production guitars are homegeneous in sound to the extent where you WILL know easily with just neck joint being different, that is, unless the guitar is so bland, as in my opinion most of them are, that it makes littel difference.
I believe most production guitars are homegeneous in sound to the extent where you WILL know easily with just neck joint being different, that is, unless the guitar is so bland, as in my opinion most of them are, that it makes littel difference.
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KeeperOS
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
No, Set Thru is NOT set neck and definitely not a gimmick either.
Think of it as the middle ground between a set neck and a neck-thru (both construction and tone-wise).
Basically there's the short and long tenon set neck where the neck will extend no more than either before or after the neck pickup respectively (the short tenon makes setting the correct neck angle easier in production guitars whereas long tenon is expected to be more stable and have a bit more sustain) and then there's the Set-thru where the neck extends DEEP up until around the BRIDGE pickup (or the bridge itself).
However, unlike a neck-thru it still goes into a pocket on the body as opposed to having wings glued to its' sides.
Basically expect the neck wood to play a much bigger part than a typical set neck but nothing as pronounced as a neck-thru...
EDIT: THIS is a Set-thru guitar: http://www.guitaristjeffmiller.com/guitars12.htm
No, Set Thru is NOT set neck and definitely not a gimmick either.
Think of it as the middle ground between a set neck and a neck-thru (both construction and tone-wise).
Basically there's the short and long tenon set neck where the neck will extend no more than either before or after the neck pickup respectively (the short tenon makes setting the correct neck angle easier in production guitars whereas long tenon is expected to be more stable and have a bit more sustain) and then there's the Set-thru where the neck extends DEEP up until around the BRIDGE pickup (or the bridge itself).
However, unlike a neck-thru it still goes into a pocket on the body as opposed to having wings glued to its' sides.
Basically expect the neck wood to play a much bigger part than a typical set neck but nothing as pronounced as a neck-thru...
EDIT: THIS is a Set-thru guitar: http://www.guitaristjeffmiller.com/guitars12.htm
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Jessie's ghost
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
Not a gimmick. As others have said, it's a way of setting a neck deep enough that you can sculpt the "heel" so that it looks and feels like a neck-through but doesn't slice the body all the way to the end-pin. It's a neat idea, and I'm glad it's out there.
Not a gimmick. As others have said, it's a way of setting a neck deep enough that you can sculpt the "heel" so that it looks and feels like a neck-through but doesn't slice the body all the way to the end-pin. It's a neat idea, and I'm glad it's out there.
MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
after seeing it, Im inclined to agree with Pieere..gimmick.
You want either a set neck ( preferabl;y long tenon), for conventional tone, or neck thru for modern sound.
I don't generally like compromises, and I don't like this. For me, it brings nothing appreciably better to the table.
after seeing it, Im inclined to agree with Pieere..gimmick.
You want either a set neck ( preferabl;y long tenon), for conventional tone, or neck thru for modern sound.
I don't generally like compromises, and I don't like this. For me, it brings nothing appreciably better to the table.
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
There's some fallacy about the bridge of a neckthrough being mounted to the neck and not the body wings. In truth, no one does a neckthrough where the taper of the tenon extends all the way to the endpin, which is the only way the bridge posts could be mounted to the tenon.
Everyone who does a neckthrough does it so the neck tenon is the same width at the 24th fret as it is at the endpin, and it's not as wide as either the pickup mounting screws or the bridge posts.
Set-thru plays on this fallacy as well, claiming to mount the bridge squarely on the body wood and not the neck wood.
There's some fallacy about the bridge of a neckthrough being mounted to the neck and not the body wings. In truth, no one does a neckthrough where the taper of the tenon extends all the way to the endpin, which is the only way the bridge posts could be mounted to the tenon.
Everyone who does a neckthrough does it so the neck tenon is the same width at the 24th fret as it is at the endpin, and it's not as wide as either the pickup mounting screws or the bridge posts.
Set-thru plays on this fallacy as well, claiming to mount the bridge squarely on the body wood and not the neck wood.
cakire82
Cake Mire
Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
Why do you say it is gimmick if there is difference in construction?
Why do you say it is gimmick if there is difference in construction?
J
Jessie's ghost
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
I figured as much. But remember that the neck-through Soloist began as a "compromise" between a Strat and a Les Paul. And as great as the classic designs are, there are players who like new things as well. Just ask the Parker, Steinberger, and PRS guys. They'll talk you into a coma about how forward-thinking they are on guitar design. I'm no fanboi of ESP or any of those other companies, but I've pretty much outgrown the notion of the design, specs, or appearance of a guitar pigeonholing the music that I play on it.
I figured as much. But remember that the neck-through Soloist began as a "compromise" between a Strat and a Les Paul. And as great as the classic designs are, there are players who like new things as well. Just ask the Parker, Steinberger, and PRS guys. They'll talk you into a coma about how forward-thinking they are on guitar design. I'm no fanboi of ESP or any of those other companies, but I've pretty much outgrown the notion of the design, specs, or appearance of a guitar pigeonholing the music that I play on it.
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
Because the difference in construction is pointless tonewise. It's a marketing gimmick to cash in on the propaganda that set-necks have weak glued-in joints (i.e. sloppy pockets myth) and that neckthroughs suck tone.
Because the difference in construction is pointless tonewise. It's a marketing gimmick to cash in on the propaganda that set-necks have weak glued-in joints (i.e. sloppy pockets myth) and that neckthroughs suck tone.
J
Jessie's ghost
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
But does it really play on the same "fallacy"? Couldn't the tenon of a set-through guitar easily stop short of the bridge, leaving it to mount in an otherwise solid mahogany (for example) body? And what about the characteristic of having the same kind (or even piece) of wood from one edge of the body to the other?
But does it really play on the same "fallacy"? Couldn't the tenon of a set-through guitar easily stop short of the bridge, leaving it to mount in an otherwise solid mahogany (for example) body? And what about the characteristic of having the same kind (or even piece) of wood from one edge of the body to the other?
J
Jessie's ghost
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
I haven't seen propaganda playing on either of those fears -- both of which seem silly to me. I thought the idea was to give the player a smooth, easy-access neck joint without the expense of a neck-through guitar.
I haven't seen propaganda playing on either of those fears -- both of which seem silly to me. I thought the idea was to give the player a smooth, easy-access neck joint without the expense of a neck-through guitar.
SabbathFan0220
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
Why is this being looked at like a marketing scam? It's just another way to attach a neck. Anderson's "A-Wedgie" joint and Parker's "Multiple Finger" joint are both a lot weirder than this. Set thru is basically just a set neck with a really long tenon. Seems like a good idea to me.
Why is this being looked at like a marketing scam? It's just another way to attach a neck. Anderson's "A-Wedgie" joint and Parker's "Multiple Finger" joint are both a lot weirder than this. Set thru is basically just a set neck with a really long tenon. Seems like a good idea to me.
Powdered Toast Man
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Set Thru VS Set Neck?
It's being looked at as a gimmick from the perspective of the claims of "better tone". I agree that it's all subjective. The only way to truly test this claim would be to build two identical guitars FROM THE SAME PLANK OF WOOD with the only difference being the neck setting method. If no builder has done this then there is absolutely no way to validate tone claims in an A/B scenario. You can't even compare two guitars off the rack due to differences in the woods used. Case in point, I was at the store the other day and picked up two identical LP Jr's and just played them unplugged. One sounded bright and resonant, the other sounded dead as a door nail. I could even feel that they didn't weigh the same. Point is, there's a hundred variables affecting an instrument's tone - there's virtually no way to test claims that different neck setting methods impact this in any way.
It's being looked at as a gimmick from the perspective of the claims of "better tone". I agree that it's all subjective. The only way to truly test this claim would be to build two identical guitars FROM THE SAME PLANK OF WOOD with the only difference being the neck setting method. If no builder has done this then there is absolutely no way to validate tone claims in an A/B scenario. You can't even compare two guitars off the rack due to differences in the woods used. Case in point, I was at the store the other day and picked up two identical LP Jr's and just played them unplugged. One sounded bright and resonant, the other sounded dead as a door nail. I could even feel that they didn't weigh the same. Point is, there's a hundred variables affecting an instrument's tone - there's virtually no way to test claims that different neck setting methods impact this in any way.
St_Genesius
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
I HAVE VERY STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THIS THING I HAD NOT HEARD OF BEFORE READING THIS THREAD.
I HAVE VERY STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THIS THING I HAD NOT HEARD OF BEFORE READING THIS THREAD.
J
Jessie's ghost
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Re: Set Thru VS Set Neck?
I don't see anything really out of line here. Sure it depends on the pieces of wood, just like Toastie said, but what they're saying here seems like a fairly harmless generalization, not unlike what you might read from any manufacturer of guitars, hardware, electronics, etc.
I mean, as a forum, it seems like we've decided that the body wings on a neck-through don't have anything to do with a guitar's tone. But surely we all agree that the body wood on a set-neck is a factor on those guitars. I think the main claim they're trying to make is that on the set-through, the body wood is a main factor in the tone of the instrument -- in addition to the smoothness of the heel being more like a neck-through, which should be less open to debate.
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I don't see anything really out of line here. Sure it depends on the pieces of wood, just like Toastie said, but what they're saying here seems like a fairly harmless generalization, not unlike what you might read from any manufacturer of guitars, hardware, electronics, etc.
I mean, as a forum, it seems like we've decided that the body wings on a neck-through don't have anything to do with a guitar's tone. But surely we all agree that the body wood on a set-neck is a factor on those guitars. I think the main claim they're trying to make is that on the set-through, the body wood is a main factor in the tone of the instrument -- in addition to the smoothness of the heel being more like a neck-through, which should be less open to debate.
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