setup tips on an SG?

Mojoe01

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Everybody in my house at school plays guitar, which is sweet. I'm the only electric player of the 4 though, but one just purchased a Gibson SG Standard off of Musiciansfriend (which we were trying to avoid, but believe it or not, there aren't many music shops in Athens, Ohio) I have a Gibson Les Paul Studio, but was wondering if there are any things to look for on the SG when it gets here. Being the only experienced electric player in the house, I'm obviously the authority on the issue here, and just want to be sure I'm enough of a help to him to make sure he isn't gonna get a dud and we don't know it.
 
Re: setup tips on an SG?

make sure the frets are level and straight. That seems to be a problem with faded's & standards

also, open the back cavity & look at the wood, it shouldn't have any knots or cuts in it
 
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Basic Setup is identical to your LP.

SG Specific: Look for cracks around the neck joint and headstock, the 2 places where SGs are prone to break.

But the only way to "save" yourself from a dud is to play it. You´re looking for a nice ringing tone with good sustain, no jagged edges on the Fretboard, no other unsightly flaws, (although cosmetics rarely affect tone....;))

BTW, as many luthiers will tell you, the most beautiful solid finish can look ugly underneath from mineral streaks, knots, and other flaws. I honestly have no idea where you picked up that "back cavity" trick or what you´re trying to say with that. The only thing you´ll see is buffing dust and maybe some paint overrun, which is absolutely normal on most axes....:rolleyes:
 
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Ditto on all the above. The other thing I would STRONGLY advise is if the SG has those Kluson keystone pegs, GET RID OF THEM and replace 'em with some good Grovers, Schaller, Sperzel or Gotoh pegs. The Kluson pegs are total CRAP!
 
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Some old wives tales, some legend, some fact. :D


1) Headstock:
SG's (and Les Pauls and ANY other guitar with a "tilt back" or "pitched" headstock) are prone to breakage if the guitar falls.

My '91 SG standard has fallen TWICE. Once from about 2 feet high, and once right flat on it's face from a guitar stand about 6" off the ground. BOOOM! (the guitar was plugged in). It is fine. I don't recommend it :laugh2: , but I was lucky. And if the guitar fell BACKWARDS, I may have had some trouble.


2) Neck Body joint:
All SG's before 1968 (or 69 - I forget) have the old style "small heel" neck to body joint (including the current '61 reissues). The ENTIRE neck, and all 22 frets are 100% and totally clear of the body. Although some love it (myself included - the fret access is unequalled), it is a fair criticism to say that it is not as stable as the "improved" body joint introduced in the late 60's where the heel is much bigger and more stable (the guitar body actually extends more "onto" the back of the neck).

People had complained that those old necks (technically longer) were more prone to going out of tune ("rubber-y"), and the small heel was more fragile (which it is). Some SG's that have had too much pressure applied to the neck (lets say a car seat folding back on an old SG in a soft case), have had the neck body joint break.

In the 70's, the price of such a repair made many low priced SG's "not worth fixing". Such is NOT the case today as SG's are not cheap and are more highly regarded (back then many people looked at SG's as "NOT a Les Paul"). For the record, MANY Gibson guitars are prone to the same problems (Melody Makers, Les Paul Jrs, etc - even, gasp, - Les Pauls)

I have both style SG's and they are both fine. I prefer the extra fret clearance of the old style. All current models except the 61 reissue ($1599) have the "new and improved" body joint. Both styles offer excellent fret clearance overall. Take care of your guitar and you'll be fine.


3) Kluson style tuners:
This is one of those things that just fules debate endlessly. Gibson stilll uses those "old style" tuners (they have the yellow-ish plastic heads). They are HIGHLY underrated.

Yes......... they are not as good as a good set of sealed Grovers (or the equivalent). But they are fine. Most guitars don't go out of tune because the "tuners are slipping out of their gears" (only defective or REALLY cheap tuners do that). They go out of tune because the string was not put on properly, the strings were not stretched properly, the guitarist has poor tuning habits, etc. So easy to blame the tuning machines themselves.

Look at SO many pro guitarists who keep those Klusons on there (everyone from Jimmy Page to Warren Haynes to Lenny Kravitz to Les Paul himself). If they were SO bad why would pro players who can afford anything not care? Answer: the Klusons are FINE. If you REALLY need to "upgrade" your tuners (I've thought about it but have never done it - and it's not a big deal), get a set of locking Grovers. But unless you are using really light strings (more on this below), you may as well spend the money elsewhere, because the Klusons hold tune fine if used properly. I have never had a problem.



4) As far as "looking inside the control cavity", that won't do you much good as there is black shielding paint in there.

All Gibson SGs are made from Mahogany, from two or three piece bodies on the standard, to one piece bodies on the '61. The bodies are stable as HELL. Did you ever try to break a piece of solid mahogany as thick as an SG body? Good luck. :dance:


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And the rest is just buying a guitar 101: Does the guitar play well? Does it sound good? Have it professionally set up if you don't know how to do it yourself. Use at LEAST .010 guage strings. They stay in tune MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than .009's (and sound better). .011's are even better (MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than .010's). :D


I hope this helps. There are a MILLION things you can do to get an SG (or any electric guitar) into primo shape once you own it.

Play it, listen to it and enjoy it. And don't change the pickups "automatically" just because you think all replacement pickups are better. Many people like the stock Gibsons. You might too. The 490R neck pickup that comes stock on the SG Standard is a pretty good Alnico 2 humbucker.

Good luck!

Peace.

:burnout:
 
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I have a '68 SG standard. It is virtually stock, except I did change the tuners to Grovers in 1970 (I still have the originals). If this guitar has the fold back type of tremlo as mine does when doing a set up I string the guitar from the outside to the middle. This keeps the bridge stable while putting the strings on and keeps the tension balanced. I also own a LP and a 335. Other than the restringing I set them up all the same way. As Zerb said look for cracks around the headstock, and neck joint. Other than that good luck it is a good guitar..... Enjoy it!!
 
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Yeah, I agree with the tuner idea 100%. I had no problem with my Klusons, I thought they held great (I also use 11's...can't go wrong there) The only reason I changed tuners was because, to be honest...those things are ugly! Such a beautiful guitar, and cheap greenish-gray pieces of plastic do NOT complement it. Chrome Grovers, though...I fell in love with my guitar all over again. Purely a cosmetic change though.
I also agree with the stock pickup comment. I wasn't a fan of my stock LP pickups, but I played an SG Standard at the store a few months back, and was amazed at how good they sounded. I'm actually a big fan of what Gibson offers though, I really like 57 Classics and Burstbucker Pro's. Two pickups I'd definitely never even consider replacing if they came in a guitar I got (such as an LP Standard or '61 Reissue SG...two guitars I'd LOVE to add to my collection, if only I had, oh...money)
 
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