Seymour Duncan be trollin hard

[LesStrat]

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Do the Zephyr pups qualify for the same 30-day exchange program?

 

[J Moose]

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I can assure you, this is no joke. Quite the contrary. We believe that, with Zephyrs, we are re-defining what's possible in electric guitar tone. And we understand that these pickups might be for everyone. That's fine. If they're not for you, that's OK. We believe we have other pickup products that will suit your needs.

But for those who are willing to explore what's possible in guitar tone -- when materials and construction techniques are not limited by price considerations -- Zephyr pickups could be the call.

This is just the beginning of Zephyr. Rest assured there will be more to come on this.

- EAS (NAMM)

Well I'm curious... what's so 're-defining' about these?

I gotta say that as a Les Paul > Marshall kinda guy that combination has sounded good to me and worked for a long time. And I'd wager that its also worked for more then a few people over a few decades with regular old copper pickups.

So if someone dropped these into the Lester, changed nothing else... what exactly is the difference supposed to be?

I mean, is the sky going to part and rays of light beam down from the first open A chord? Will they make the notes that Paul Gilbert has on his guitar magically appear on mine? Are gold strings required to get the full benefit or can we keep using regular old $4 dean markleys?

Yeah there's a bit of sarcasm here but well, humor us.

 

[sosomething]

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All kidding aside

All, uh, "science" aside

This strikes me as a really well-executed jump out ahead of a particular market segment

I am SURE there are people who will buy these

We may never hear them, but they're out there...

 

[Butch Snyder]

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I can assure you, this is no joke. Quite the contrary. We believe that, with Zephyrs, we are re-defining what's possible in electric guitar tone. And we understand that these pickups might be for everyone. That's fine. If they're not for you, that's OK. We believe we have other pickup products that will suit your needs.

But for those who are willing to explore what's possible in guitar tone -- when materials and construction techniques are not limited by price considerations -- Zephyr pickups could be the call.

This is just the beginning of Zephyr. Rest assured there will be more to come on this.

- EAS (NAMM)

The issue that I see, and this is only my opinion, is that the players who can afford and justify that cost, are the ones who either get all their stuff free anyway, or they can't play and just buys stuff because they can.

 

[J Moose]

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The issue that I see, and this is only my opinion, is that the players who can afford and justify that cost, are the ones who either get all their stuff free anyway, or they can't play and just buys stuff because they can.

I don't know Butch, I don't believe your alone in that opinion. Even at the gear page reaction seems to be about the same as a klansman would get at the million man march. I think my favorite comment was from someone that compared them to solid gold toilet seat...

 

[BloodRose]

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I am curious about them.. I cant afford them, but it is good to see SD step out and do something unique. Being a long time motorcycle lover, I know that R+D on untouchable works bikes can trickle down to production. So, if there are great advancements here, perhaps it will benefit us later. Also there is always a market for special audiophile products that are cutting edge or offer an increased purity of sound. I see tube radios and stuff from time to time that cost a great deal.
So, I cant afford these, but as supporter of SD, Id rather see them push the envelope than another company. Im sure they will find a market. Keep in mind, its not just blues lawyers, but Im sure there are alot of pro musicians that have the financial resources to try them.

 

[Lucid_Lunatic]

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This copy paste from TGP kind of sums it up, at least how I first viewed it.:


'Besides launching something at that price point during a down economy; besides launching it with easily-refuted marketing hype; besides launching it with no corroborating sound samples; even if every claim made is 100 percent, undeniably true: It is just Marketing and Branding 101 that you don't launch a product that positions every single other product you have made for decades as inferior in construction and quality. You will never convince consumers to increase their purchase by ten-fold, but you will definitely weaken their perception of your existing product line and their association with your brand.'

 

[xxxplorer]

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This copy paste from TGP kind of sums it up, at least how I first viewed it.:


'Besides launching something at that price point during a down economy; besides launching it with easily-refuted marketing hype; besides launching it with no corroborating sound samples; even if every claim made is 100 percent, undeniably true: It is just Marketing and Branding 101 that you don't launch a product that positions every single other product you have made for decades as inferior in construction and quality. You will never convince consumers to increase their purchase by ten-fold, but you will definitely weaken their perception of your existing product line and their association with your brand.'

I can see the point, but then what does the Custom Shop pickups that they offer portray? Same really, but it does nothing but help the image of the company.

I look at it like this... duncan design = kia, duncan = toyota, custom shop = lexus, and now this = space shuttle bwahahahaha.

They are pushing the envelope and really have something for everyone. TGP people can gripe all they want. They drop 500 bucks for pickups wound on sewing machines in basements and then gabble about em like a bunch of hens sipping mai tais.

 

[MetalManiac]

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I see the Flat Earth Society has shown up in force to voice thier opinion..lol;

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

 

[Lucid_Lunatic]

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I can see the point, but then what does the Custom Shop pickups that they offer portray?

I have never seen the CS that way. I see it as jusy having something done a little different than factory spec models.

At first reading of the description of the Zephyr, it gives you the feeling you're getting the second rate pickup by ordering a standard or traditional wound style CS model without the $1200 Zephyr treatment.

 

[Got_tone?]

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I look at it like this... duncan design = kia, duncan = toyota, custom shop = lexus, and now this = space shuttle bwahahahaha.

+1 That's a very good example.

 

[J Moose]

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They are pushing the envelope and really have something for everyone. TGP people can gripe all they want. They drop 500 bucks for pickups wound on sewing machines in basements and then gabble about em like a bunch of hens sipping mai tais.

But see, that's what the majority of that crowd wants.

They're not after the space-age graphite guitar with new-fangled hi-fi pickups. They want stuff that's just like the old stuff and would hop in a time machine if they could to get the old stuff. And IMO, things like antiquitys and Seths are as good as anything else if we're talking about "old" stuff.

I think its pretty telling that Steve Kimock who's a great musician and a great all around guy who I've worked with a handful of times... a guy who's always pushing boundaries of gear and could easily afford to drop a set of these into a guitar or three, and play 'em through his Dumble night after night basically said he has no interest in actually playing them. And if HE won't do it I don't know who would.

Personally I'm just shocked at all the marketing BS on that page. Not at all what I've come to expect from Duncan over the years. They shoved in every audiophile buzzword possible that I've seen in BS copy for things like $1000 speaker cables and unlike every other pickup or pedal they have out, didn't say a single thing about what the things ACTUALLY sound like!

I'm not saying these are all BS... I have no idea since I haven't heard them but at the same time, the page complete with those "English as a second language" punctuation errors is pretty hard to take.

Its just disappointing.

 

[Mattallica]

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I have a feeling that these pups will be purchased by the same people who would pay $60 for a Gibson Bumblebee cap...:banghead:

 

[uOpt]

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This copy paste from TGP kind of sums it up, at least how I first viewed it.:


'Besides launching something at that price point during a down economy; besides launching it with easily-refuted marketing hype; besides launching it with no corroborating sound samples; even if every claim made is 100 percent, undeniably true: It is just Marketing and Branding 101 that you don't launch a product that positions every single other product you have made for decades as inferior in construction and quality. You will never convince consumers to increase their purchase by ten-fold, but you will definitely weaken their perception of your existing product line and their association with your brand.'

If you follow that logic nobody would be allowed to improve any product anywhere anymore.

I once owned a set of WB PGs which are new $550 and pretty conventional, so it isn't too far off. I still think buying a single humbucker would make it easier.

Next forum special pickup?

 

[WGTP]

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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Sir Arthur C. Clarke

I enjoy Mojo/Voodoo as much as anyone, but welcome a more scientific approach to pickup design.

 

[dominus]

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As soon as it's available in humbucker form, I'll grab one for one of my Strat refinishes.





And then play some detuned overprocessed sludgecore.

:firedevil

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

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What is really sad is Blueman would change the magnets in there.

hahahahaha, how true