SH-4 JB in Epiphone SG (G-400) HELP!

Josh.L

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Alright, so I recently got the SH-4 JB installed in my Epiphone SG G-400 guitar. First off for those who don't know, the epiphone SG is mahogany with a rosewood neck. I also got the SH-1N 59 in the neck which I love. Anyways.. If I had to best compare my playing style and tone/sound to a band it'd have to be Avenged Sevenfold. Although it's a large mix of them, Metallica, Skillet, Three Days Grace, Papa Roach, Thrice, Fight Or Flight, bands like that. It may also be worth noting I use Ernie Ball Skinny Top, Heavy Bottom strings, 10-52 gauges I believe.

Now on to why I'm posting this... I had used the Epiphone SG factory pickups for the longest time, and had found the perfect EQ between my amp and distortion pedal to have that sweet tone where there's that chunk when you palm mute, but that punchy sound when you play riffs like the intro to Unholy Confessions by Avenged, and still enough balance where you can play leads nicely. Thing is, once I got the Sh-4 JB installed, I found my power chords to be kind of muddy and somewhat dull sounding if that makes sense. I tried playing with the height of the pickup poles and the pickup itself but cant find a sweet spot. Although I don't have a ton of experience with the height of the poles and pickup since I never needed to adjust them before. I'm starting to wonder if this was a good pickup choice for my style or not...or if it's just that im not adjusting the heights right, or something else. I have no idea. Also, I did NOT install them myself, I had my local music shop do it for me.

I've been at it for 3 days straight, spending countless hours just trying to find my sweet spot again, but it seems impossible. I have no idea what to do any more, it's driving me insane and if anyone can help it'd mean a LOT! I HATE my tone sounding muddy or thin and tinny (not tiny, tinny, as in a tin can). I'm extremely picky with my sound and like it to sound great, if it doesn't I don't play as well I find. I also tried rolling back my Low end on my pedal/amp and upping the high end, and vise versa. Nothing works. I usually keep my mids at 12, but I even tried rolling them forward a bit thinking it might give a bit more clarity. Still nothing. Again, if anyone could help it'd be greatly appreciated!


Josh
 
Re: SH-4 JB in Epiphone SG (G-400) HELP!

Could be your guitar isnt getting along with the PU. What amp out of curiosity?

Did the stock PU sound better than your JB?

Bringing poles out def help for clarity
 
Re: SH-4 JB in Epiphone SG (G-400) HELP!

I found the stock pickups sound better yeah haha bringing the poles HIGHER or lower ? To make them less muddy?
 
Re: SH-4 JB in Epiphone SG (G-400) HELP!

Higher. Ive never owned a JB so not sure about a good height for it. Lowering the pickup a little and bringing out the poles helps
 
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for JB setup I would suggest having the screw poles adjusted around flush with top of the bobbins. for the height of the pickup I would keep it a bit low especially on the bass side.
The JB still may not be the pick-up for you or that guitar. I have had it work for me in guitars similar to an SG but the JB can be finicky in mahogany. The JB definitely does not have the tightest power chord response around.
One trick that can even the JB rhythm sound out a little is to back off the guitar volume to 7 or 8 then turn it up for leads.
 
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Mostly I hear the opposite - that the JB is an overly bright pickup in an SG. Any chance there is a short, or that a pot might have been overheated? I know you paid someone to do it, but even pros make mistakes sometimes.

If you find it is the pickup itself there's always Duncan's return policy - maybe try a Custom instead for the SG.
 
Re: SH-4 JB in Epiphone SG (G-400) HELP!

What return policy? And does the policy work only if you buy direct from SD or work even in local music shops ?
 
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Ah so the JB tends to sort of suck for power chords? haha I was going to go with the Invader at first but I figured it'd be too high input but maybe it'd be better? or maybe something else? I have no idea, ive only ever used stock pickups haha
 
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Also, im using a cheap Peavey bandit 112 combo 80watt, but again I've played multiple guitars on it and it always sounded pretty decent...I have a decent set up going on. haha it's not pro but it doesn't sound bad either ! haha
 
Re: SH-4 JB in Epiphone SG (G-400) HELP!

Alright, so I recently got the SH-4 JB installed in my Epiphone SG G-400 guitar. First off for those who don't know, the epiphone SG is mahogany with a rosewood neck. I also got the SH-1N 59 in the neck which I love. Anyways.. If I had to best compare my playing style and tone/sound to a band it'd have to be Avenged Sevenfold. Although it's a large mix of them, Metallica, Skillet, Three Days Grace, Papa Roach, Thrice, Fight Or Flight, bands like that. It may also be worth noting I use Ernie Ball Skinny Top, Heavy Bottom strings, 10-52 gauges I believe.

Now on to why I'm posting this... I had used the Epiphone SG factory pickups for the longest time, and had found the perfect EQ between my amp and distortion pedal to have that sweet tone where there's that chunk when you palm mute, but that punchy sound when you play riffs like the intro to Unholy Confessions by Avenged, and still enough balance where you can play leads nicely. Thing is, once I got the Sh-4 JB installed, I found my power chords to be kind of muddy and somewhat dull sounding if that makes sense. I tried playing with the height of the pickup poles and the pickup itself but cant find a sweet spot. Although I don't have a ton of experience with the height of the poles and pickup since I never needed to adjust them before. I'm starting to wonder if this was a good pickup choice for my style or not...or if it's just that im not adjusting the heights right, or something else. I have no idea. Also, I did NOT install them myself, I had my local music shop do it for me.

I've been at it for 3 days straight, spending countless hours just trying to find my sweet spot again, but it seems impossible. I have no idea what to do any more, it's driving me insane and if anyone can help it'd mean a LOT! I HATE my tone sounding muddy or thin and tinny (not tiny, tinny, as in a tin can). I'm extremely picky with my sound and like it to sound great, if it doesn't I don't play as well I find. I also tried rolling back my Low end on my pedal/amp and upping the high end, and vise versa. Nothing works. I usually keep my mids at 12, but I even tried rolling them forward a bit thinking it might give a bit more clarity. Still nothing. Again, if anyone could help it'd be greatly appreciated!


Josh

I generally find that the JB is always muddy sounding in a mahogany bodied guitar. Not necessarily always true, but in my experience it has been true. You might want to try a Duncan Distortion or a Duncan Custom instead. The ceramic magnet in each of them gives a tighter low end in mahogany guitars than the JB is able to. Personally I'd go with the distortion since it's probably better suited in terms of voicing and output for the music you're playing.

Funnily enough, in a strat or similar kinda instrument...ie alder body, bolt on maple neck, the JB absolutely rules and is plenty tight.
 
Re: SH-4 JB in Epiphone SG (G-400) HELP!

Really? Weird, since the tone wizard suggested the JB haha but would you recommend maybe the Invader ? (since it's ceramic and high output) or maybe not? The SH-1N 59 is definitely sick for the neck! but I need a good bridge pickup :\
 
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Tone wizard isn't the end all and be all of pickup recommendations.

I wouldn't really go with the Invader. It is ceramic and high output, but it's also significantly darker sounding than the Distortion or Custom. A bit less articulate too. It's fat, warm, thick and high output. I'd only go with that if your guitar is particularly bright sounding and is in desperate need of taming. If it's balanced sounding, then the Distortion or Custom is gonna be your ticket.
 
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What's the difference between the Custom and Distortion? (you know the model numbers by any chance so I can look em up? haha)
 
Re: SH-4 JB in Epiphone SG (G-400) HELP!

The JB still may not be the pick-up for you or that guitar. I have had it work for me in guitars similar to an SG but the JB can be finicky in mahogany. The JB definitely does not have the tightest power chord response around.

There's many threads and posts here about JB's not working out well in mahogany. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. A JB is not the first choice for most of us in an SG. They're much more reliable in bright woods, Strats in particular. Like CTN said, a Duncan Custom or Distortion would probably be a better fit for your guitar.
 
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SH-6 Distortion
SH-5 Custom

Custom is high output, and the voicing is sorta like a more modern PAF. It'd be more suited to classic rock/hard rock kinda applications. Very open, natural sound, but a bit more modern than a real PAF. It has enough output to do metal pretty easily.

Distortion is higher output, with a mid-voicing similar to the JB, but with tighter bottom end, more thump and crisper highs. Also, regarding the mids, whereas the JB tends to sing, the Distortion screams a bit more. In a good way. The harmonics are crazy good on both, but the distortion, the mids are sharp, aggressive, very articulate, and perfectly suited to metal etc.
 
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Would you say the Distortion one is versatile though? Like does it have good cleans? I need a bridge pickup that sounds good clean but packs a punch when distortion gets turned on haha as I said I play a lot of styles similar to Avenged Sevenfold, Papa Roach, Metallica, Skillet, Three Days Grace, bands like that. Something that can give me that sort of heavy rock/metal sound if that makes sense.
 
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Yep the Distortion cleans up well enough. Custom has a bit nicer cleans, but the Distortion cleans aren't too bad either. They're strong, full and crisp.

But chances are you're playing with high gain more than you will be clean, and with high gain, the Distortion is king. I feel like even despite that though, it's still versatile enough to get into classic rock/hard rock territory quite easily.

Not smooth blues stuff though. It's a bit too modern for that.
 
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I do use a ton of distortion but I switch back and forth from cleans and distortion a lot as well. I need the clear clean for ballads, but the heavy distortion for rock/metal. I was checking a comparison of the JB Sh-4 and SH-6 Distortion on youtube, the Distortion sounds like it has more low end ???
 
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Hmm.. then maybe you should get the Custom. It'll have nicer cleans, but will still do really well with high gain. Complements mahogany bodies very well also.

Also, it's hard to get a good idea of what a pickup sounds like and especially feels like from youtube videos. I've played/used/abused the JB, Distortion and the Custom in a bunch of different guitars. The Distortion might have more low end than the JB, but the character is quite different. It's much tighter. Custom I feel has about equal amount of low end as a JB, and it's tighter as well, but not as tight as the Distortion. In a thin bodied guitar like an SG, that extra low end can come in handy for adding some growl and muscle to the overall guitar tone, but the character of that low end can make or break your sound.
 
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I have the exact same guitar with the Distortion in the bridge of mine. There's no greater rhythm sound (or lead when I'm allowed to play one) that it can't handle. The 59 is a great pickup as well, and my go to in the neck. I'm telling you, the bands you listed are almost identical to what I was playing when I got the Distortion, and you cannot go wrong. I wouldn't say it has good cleans. I prefer the 59 in the neck for my clean tones, especially because I like them a little thicker and with a touch of chorus, but the Distortion can get a decent soft overdrive with enough picking dynamics.

Get the DD and you won't be disappointed.
 
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