SH6n in bridge position?
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theodie
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Re: SH6n in bridge position?
I figured you wouldn't get many responses. I have played a Seymourizer II since the early 80's in my Kramer and it is absoutely killer. It measures 12.3 Kohms with a ceramic magnet. It has the bite of a custom(14Kohms) but the openness of an overwound PAF because it isn't as compressed sounding as the 14KCustom or 16Kdistortion. Seymour states this pickup became the SH-6B but Seymour wound it hotter to 16K. IMHO it is perfect at 12Kohm range not too hot not too compressed with alot of bite alot or articulation and clarity with bite.
IT is rumored that George Lynch used the early SEYMOURIZER II in his bengal guitar in Dokken. AFter trying a SH-6 bridge and Demon I would agree more with the SEYII(SH-6N) theory.
I love this pickup over many I have tried, I like to build hybrids too but so far my absoute go to pickup is the SeymourizerII which became the SH-6N (neck)model.
Try it you may love it too. :smokin:
I figured you wouldn't get many responses. I have played a Seymourizer II since the early 80's in my Kramer and it is absoutely killer. It measures 12.3 Kohms with a ceramic magnet. It has the bite of a custom(14Kohms) but the openness of an overwound PAF because it isn't as compressed sounding as the 14KCustom or 16Kdistortion. Seymour states this pickup became the SH-6B but Seymour wound it hotter to 16K. IMHO it is perfect at 12Kohm range not too hot not too compressed with alot of bite alot or articulation and clarity with bite.
IT is rumored that George Lynch used the early SEYMOURIZER II in his bengal guitar in Dokken. AFter trying a SH-6 bridge and Demon I would agree more with the SEYII(SH-6N) theory.
I love this pickup over many I have tried, I like to build hybrids too but so far my absoute go to pickup is the SeymourizerII which became the SH-6N (neck)model.
Try it you may love it too. :smokin:
Dying Flesh
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Re: SH6n in bridge position?
I asked here in the forum awhile back to identify my DDn
and I found out I had a SeymourizerII....
I love that pup in the guitar I have it in so much, I can't ever take it out
I would like to get another one though
I asked here in the forum awhile back to identify my DDn
and I found out I had a SeymourizerII....
I love that pup in the guitar I have it in so much, I can't ever take it out
I would like to get another one though
ubertwerp
New member
Re: SH6n in bridge position?
Resurrecting the "seymourizer" thread -I am getting ready to check out the "SEY" Neck in bridge position of the alder strat
I was wondering what would happen if you reduced the output on the custom or the distortion -seems I now have an opportunity to test this theory -based on the spec on the other pickups -I would speculate that the tone profile would come in somewhere around the
screamin demon 5/4/9-probably 5/6/8-at around the same output level as a Dimarzio breed or norton -but thats only a speculation -here goes -I will update later tonight with with the results ..I am intrigued by DSM 107's description and hope it turns out to my ears/rig the way it does in his -if it does -it will be near perfect..
Later
Resurrecting the "seymourizer" thread -I am getting ready to check out the "SEY" Neck in bridge position of the alder strat
I was wondering what would happen if you reduced the output on the custom or the distortion -seems I now have an opportunity to test this theory -based on the spec on the other pickups -I would speculate that the tone profile would come in somewhere around the
screamin demon 5/4/9-probably 5/6/8-at around the same output level as a Dimarzio breed or norton -but thats only a speculation -here goes -I will update later tonight with with the results ..I am intrigued by DSM 107's description and hope it turns out to my ears/rig the way it does in his -if it does -it will be near perfect..
Later
ubertwerp
New member
Re: SH6n in bridge position?Seymourizer II revisited -JB Lite?
Re: SH6n in bridge position?Seymourizer II revisited -JB Lite?
Ok first impressions -this is being played through Marshalls with tube screamer
boost..Almost the perfect pickup for me ,but there are some drawbacks ..
_The good news first
-For lead sounds -this thing rivals the Full shred if not surpasses the full shred in
clarity on fast runs -alternate picking is easier with this than anything I have ever used .
-Harmonics are outstanding and just right- by "just right" I mean that they are "natural " sounding and come out at the right places -they are more difficult to get than say on a JB however ..
sustain and lead tone is outstanding -reminds me a bit of Schenker on the UFO albums .
-Clean -this may be the best sounding clean humbucker bridge pickup ive ever heard -sound good by itself and when split and combined with my neck single -It sounds outstanding -excellent -excellent cleans
_Bad news -the low E string
I'm not calling it flub by any means ,because there is so much definition all over the neck .
However the chords played through gain using this bottom e -just don't sound right to my ears -like some frequency is missing -The sustain dies off on this string too for some reason -maybe its just my guitar -I dont know for sure yet
I am constantly trying to turn the volume up when playing chords using the low E.This is a sign to me that some frequency is either exaggerated or missing .When I scooped the mids and added bass it seemed to help a little .
I have tried boosting and cutting frequencies raising and lowering the pickup to no avail -I have not found the fix for the Low e problem yet..
Another problem is it sounds a bit muffled to me -reminds me of my dimarzios in that regard-which makes me suspect the problem may be too much low mids..The sh-5 is much more "live" and open" sounding to me ..
I just came off of playing the excellent sh-5 custom -which is currently still my favorite pickup -the cleans arent as good on that pickup ,but boy the rock rhythms are really there -definition and clarity isnt as good as the seymourizer,but not too far off -
If I can ever figure out how to start rocking out with the low chords ,the seymourizer II-sh-6 N could replace the sh-5 custom as my favorite hb -I love how clear and articulate it is and how it just sings as well as the cleans -very good pickup but not perfect yet anyway -I heard some talk about the JB lite a few days back -THIS would be my candidate to add to the mix as a " JB Lite"Will update another time .
Re: SH6n in bridge position?Seymourizer II revisited -JB Lite?
Ok first impressions -this is being played through Marshalls with tube screamer
boost..Almost the perfect pickup for me ,but there are some drawbacks ..
_The good news first
-For lead sounds -this thing rivals the Full shred if not surpasses the full shred in
clarity on fast runs -alternate picking is easier with this than anything I have ever used .
-Harmonics are outstanding and just right- by "just right" I mean that they are "natural " sounding and come out at the right places -they are more difficult to get than say on a JB however ..
sustain and lead tone is outstanding -reminds me a bit of Schenker on the UFO albums .
-Clean -this may be the best sounding clean humbucker bridge pickup ive ever heard -sound good by itself and when split and combined with my neck single -It sounds outstanding -excellent -excellent cleans
_Bad news -the low E string
I'm not calling it flub by any means ,because there is so much definition all over the neck .
However the chords played through gain using this bottom e -just don't sound right to my ears -like some frequency is missing -The sustain dies off on this string too for some reason -maybe its just my guitar -I dont know for sure yet
I am constantly trying to turn the volume up when playing chords using the low E.This is a sign to me that some frequency is either exaggerated or missing .When I scooped the mids and added bass it seemed to help a little .
I have tried boosting and cutting frequencies raising and lowering the pickup to no avail -I have not found the fix for the Low e problem yet..
Another problem is it sounds a bit muffled to me -reminds me of my dimarzios in that regard-which makes me suspect the problem may be too much low mids..The sh-5 is much more "live" and open" sounding to me ..
I just came off of playing the excellent sh-5 custom -which is currently still my favorite pickup -the cleans arent as good on that pickup ,but boy the rock rhythms are really there -definition and clarity isnt as good as the seymourizer,but not too far off -
If I can ever figure out how to start rocking out with the low chords ,the seymourizer II-sh-6 N could replace the sh-5 custom as my favorite hb -I love how clear and articulate it is and how it just sings as well as the cleans -very good pickup but not perfect yet anyway -I heard some talk about the JB lite a few days back -THIS would be my candidate to add to the mix as a " JB Lite"Will update another time .
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theodie
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Re: SH6n in bridge position?
Have you tried adjusting the pickup or pole heights to compensate for the Low E? Try tuning the heights a bit and report back.
Have you tried adjusting the pickup or pole heights to compensate for the Low E? Try tuning the heights a bit and report back.
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Zhangliqun
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Re: SH6n in bridge position?
At 12k and far more than likely using 43 wire, it's roughly equivalent to 9.0-9.5k pickup with 42 wire. Maybe a little thinner sounding because the coils are more narrow than a 42 wire/low-9 pu would be. Could be a viable overwound PAF-ish pu, especially if you swap in Alnico for the ceramic.
Keep in mind I've never tried in neck or bridge so take all that for what it's worth.
At 12k and far more than likely using 43 wire, it's roughly equivalent to 9.0-9.5k pickup with 42 wire. Maybe a little thinner sounding because the coils are more narrow than a 42 wire/low-9 pu would be. Could be a viable overwound PAF-ish pu, especially if you swap in Alnico for the ceramic.
Keep in mind I've never tried in neck or bridge so take all that for what it's worth.
ubertwerp
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Re: SH6n in bridge position?
whew - I'm beat but heres the report- I now this is the "honeymoon period" as theodie
calls it so -my taste may changes as time passes .
I did what Theodie told me and adjusted the pole pieces it did help ,but didn't fix the low E problem 100%.
I then resoldered the main lead wire-turned the pickup backwards -and also changed the low e and a strings -something must have helped because it sounds much better now .
However it is still not "perfection" -It's as close as I've found in a rock bridge pickup though ,and I think its a good candidate for " JB lite " too..
I love how this thing sings on leads and I love the clarity and I love how it splits and combines with ny neck single coil on clean..
I think it could do better on the low end rhythm -I'm looking for more of a "grind" and what I'm getting is a "growl" -still cool ,but not as aggressive in the region as I would like -This
is the ONLY weakness though-under high gain ,the lower chords mush together a bit -"smooth " distortion ?-I like the grind ..I have never like fuzz faces or big muff s -for this reason -this dostortion isn't jagged ,or grindy enough -but "smooth " I think what I'm groping for here is " harmonic separation"-anyway this pickup is 95 % my ideal sound for the bridge pickup .
I did some testing tonight by comparing
1)PAF pro
2)Seymourizer
3)Custom -sh-5
and just for the heck of it
4)tex-mex single
all in the bridge
the evaluation was for rock tone ,sustain ,clarity and "harmonic separation" on the low e
chords-
Ranking
rock tone
1)seymourizer -sh-6n-winner
2)custom
3)tex mex
4)paf pro
sustain
1)custom -winner
2)seymourizer
3)paf pro
4)tex mex
clarity
1)tex mex -winner
2)seymourizer
3)custom
4)paf pro
harmonic separation on low e chords
1)paf pro-winner by wide margin
2)tex mex
3)custom
4)seymourizer
overall winner
1)seymourizer /custom tie -total -9
I like the seymourizer better though -more character and less output
3)tex mex
4)paf pro-
(I see a full 3 single strat in future )
I would advise trying the seymourizer -there is a good chance you will like
it if you like early george lynch and michael schenker
-Or if you lie the JB sound but would like a lower output-this would be a good bet
ubertwerp out..
whew - I'm beat but heres the report- I now this is the "honeymoon period" as theodie
calls it so -my taste may changes as time passes .
I did what Theodie told me and adjusted the pole pieces it did help ,but didn't fix the low E problem 100%.
I then resoldered the main lead wire-turned the pickup backwards -and also changed the low e and a strings -something must have helped because it sounds much better now .
However it is still not "perfection" -It's as close as I've found in a rock bridge pickup though ,and I think its a good candidate for " JB lite " too..
I love how this thing sings on leads and I love the clarity and I love how it splits and combines with ny neck single coil on clean..
I think it could do better on the low end rhythm -I'm looking for more of a "grind" and what I'm getting is a "growl" -still cool ,but not as aggressive in the region as I would like -This
is the ONLY weakness though-under high gain ,the lower chords mush together a bit -"smooth " distortion ?-I like the grind ..I have never like fuzz faces or big muff s -for this reason -this dostortion isn't jagged ,or grindy enough -but "smooth " I think what I'm groping for here is " harmonic separation"-anyway this pickup is 95 % my ideal sound for the bridge pickup .
I did some testing tonight by comparing
1)PAF pro
2)Seymourizer
3)Custom -sh-5
and just for the heck of it
4)tex-mex single
all in the bridge
the evaluation was for rock tone ,sustain ,clarity and "harmonic separation" on the low e
chords-
Ranking
rock tone
1)seymourizer -sh-6n-winner
2)custom
3)tex mex
4)paf pro
sustain
1)custom -winner
2)seymourizer
3)paf pro
4)tex mex
clarity
1)tex mex -winner
2)seymourizer
3)custom
4)paf pro
harmonic separation on low e chords
1)paf pro-winner by wide margin
2)tex mex
3)custom
4)seymourizer
overall winner
1)seymourizer /custom tie -total -9
I like the seymourizer better though -more character and less output
3)tex mex
4)paf pro-
(I see a full 3 single strat in future )
I would advise trying the seymourizer -there is a good chance you will like
it if you like early george lynch and michael schenker
-Or if you lie the JB sound but would like a lower output-this would be a good bet
ubertwerp out..
fab.regnaut
New member
Re: SH6n in bridge position?
If the low string are a bit loose on the SH-6n , you could try some allen pole pieces , at least under the low strings .
( Think Screaming Demon )
I did put allens on a Custom5 with good result , in a guitar that had too much bass and it brings a lot more grind and harmonics , tight .
If the low string are a bit loose on the SH-6n , you could try some allen pole pieces , at least under the low strings .
( Think Screaming Demon )
I did put allens on a Custom5 with good result , in a guitar that had too much bass and it brings a lot more grind and harmonics , tight .
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: SH6n in bridge position?
If I was, I've forgotten about it. I've used a Distortion
in the neck, and love it. I am making a single from the stud coil of a Distortion neck. That might be what I was talking about. Haven't installed it yet, though.
If I was, I've forgotten about it. I've used a Distortion
in the neck, and love it. I am making a single from the stud coil of a Distortion neck. That might be what I was talking about. Haven't installed it yet, though.