Shootout of the 16-20 Watters
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larry_emder
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Re: Shootout of the 16-20 Watters
Can you go 2 watts more? my mesa boogies studio .22+ kicks a fair amount of arse!
Can you go 2 watts more? my mesa boogies studio .22+ kicks a fair amount of arse!
More-Gear-Than-Skill
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H&K Edition Tube? It's nice....
H&K Edition Tube? It's nice....
kevlar3000
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60s to 70s Traynor Bassmate head or Combo. Very much a Mar-vox sound. Loud as hell too. I changed the filtering values and a couple other caps which was extremely easy. This amp sounds beautiful. Wonderful clarity with lots of grind. If you hit my page , listen to Bassmate and da Thang. Just some shizzle, but you get the feel of the amp. At 250.00 to 300 you could buy plenty of em!!
60s to 70s Traynor Bassmate head or Combo. Very much a Mar-vox sound. Loud as hell too. I changed the filtering values and a couple other caps which was extremely easy. This amp sounds beautiful. Wonderful clarity with lots of grind. If you hit my page , listen to Bassmate and da Thang. Just some shizzle, but you get the feel of the amp. At 250.00 to 300 you could buy plenty of em!!
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Falstaff
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I love the Boogie 22, too! Someday I'll buy one to replace the one I sold in a typical fit of lunacy.
I covet one of the Victoria EL84 amps.
I love the Boogie 22, too! Someday I'll buy one to replace the one I sold in a typical fit of lunacy.
I covet one of the Victoria EL84 amps.
JacksonMIA
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Dr. Z Maz Jr. 18W. I've never heard the 1x12, but the 2x10 is unbelieveable.
Dr. Z Maz Jr. 18W. I've never heard the 1x12, but the 2x10 is unbelieveable.
Re: Shootout of the 16-20 Watters
I've played several 15-watt dual EL-84 amps, and I've owned a few, including a Fender Pro Jr. (traded away), an Orange AD15 (now on consignment), and a Bad Cat Cub IIR that is my #1 amp now. I got a great deal on it because it was a floor model, so I ended up with reverb at a non-verb price; however, I would have been happy enough with the non-verb version.
The Cub is extremely versatile with great clean through OD tones and incredible low end for a 1x12 combo. It has a very usable master volume that can be disabled, as well as incredibly powerful active and interactive bass and treble controls that are also defeatable. It takes some experience to get the hang of the interactive tone controls and cut control, but it works great with all of my guitars (Teles, Strats, Gibsons). It also works well with my Fulldrive 2 and Bad Bob Booster, so I can effectively get a second channel out of it for solo boosts.
I've played several 15-watt dual EL-84 amps, and I've owned a few, including a Fender Pro Jr. (traded away), an Orange AD15 (now on consignment), and a Bad Cat Cub IIR that is my #1 amp now. I got a great deal on it because it was a floor model, so I ended up with reverb at a non-verb price; however, I would have been happy enough with the non-verb version.
The Cub is extremely versatile with great clean through OD tones and incredible low end for a 1x12 combo. It has a very usable master volume that can be disabled, as well as incredibly powerful active and interactive bass and treble controls that are also defeatable. It takes some experience to get the hang of the interactive tone controls and cut control, but it works great with all of my guitars (Teles, Strats, Gibsons). It also works well with my Fulldrive 2 and Bad Bob Booster, so I can effectively get a second channel out of it for solo boosts.
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Lewguitar
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That's what I was thinking...although I've never heard one.
Everyone seems to think very highly of that legendary amp though.
I have to say that my Matchless SC-30 in the lo power mode with two of the four EL-84's disengaged is pretty spectacular too though!
Lew
JeffB said:
That's what I was thinking...although I've never heard one.
Everyone seems to think very highly of that legendary amp though.
I have to say that my Matchless SC-30 in the lo power mode with two of the four EL-84's disengaged is pretty spectacular too though!
Lew
... if so, i am all about the fitzmagic 
Rich_S
HomeGrownToneBrewologist
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This one.
Read all about it here.
Although if I wasn't genetically DIY-inclined, I'd go with a reissue Marshall 20 Watter with that super-cool 2x12 vertical slant cab.
This one.
Read all about it here.
Although if I wasn't genetically DIY-inclined, I'd go with a reissue Marshall 20 Watter with that super-cool 2x12 vertical slant cab.
Re: Shootout of the 16-20 Watters
Thanks Bill, it's 2xel84.
I like the tone of hte Franklin so much I am selling my two Rock (which is over 3 times more expensive). Perfect amp for my situation.
There have also been some old blackface Deluxe Reverbs that I've really loved. I'll be building myself one of those sometime soon.
Thanks Bill, it's 2xel84.
I like the tone of hte Franklin so much I am selling my two Rock (which is over 3 times more expensive). Perfect amp for my situation.
There have also been some old blackface Deluxe Reverbs that I've really loved. I'll be building myself one of those sometime soon.
JeffB
Let it B
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Please, don't misunderstand me Lew (or anyone else)
...the Badcat I played sounded FANTASTIC...I just thought it wasn't so fantastic to charge the prices they ask for them (same way I feel about Bogners, Soldanos, and other really high end boutique amps as well). It was a little 15 watt amp they wanted like $2600 for 
The Marshall reissue is overpiced too though...I'd have Trace at Voodoo or someone else build me one . I found the sound of the 18 watter more "marshally" and less "voxy" compared to the Badcat...The Vox/Badcat type sound is more jangly and sweet...the 18 Watt is a bit more "brash" and "raunchy" like a Marshall should be ..and which I prefer
Lewguitar said:
Please, don't misunderstand me Lew (or anyone else)
...the Badcat I played sounded FANTASTIC...I just thought it wasn't so fantastic to charge the prices they ask for them (same way I feel about Bogners, Soldanos, and other really high end boutique amps as well). It was a little 15 watt amp they wanted like $2600 for The Marshall reissue is overpiced too though...I'd have Trace at Voodoo or someone else build me one . I found the sound of the 18 watter more "marshally" and less "voxy" compared to the Badcat...The Vox/Badcat type sound is more jangly and sweet...the 18 Watt is a bit more "brash" and "raunchy" like a Marshall should be ..and which I prefer
Destroying Angel
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Im gonna have to say the Hughes and Kettner edition tube. I love everything about mine.
Im gonna have to say the Hughes and Kettner edition tube. I love everything about mine.
Re: Shootout of the 16-20 Watters
The Bad Cat Cub should come in at a price that is very similar to the Marshall 18-watt RI (just over $2K with reverb, about $500 less without). I think it does come down to whether you prefer a Vox-related tone (Bad Cat, Matchless, etc.) or a Marshall tone. I'd like one of each, but at these prices that's not too likely. The Savage Macht 12 (or 6) is another one to look at, although it's a dual 6V6 design -- supposedly somewhat of a Marshall flavor despite the tube selection -- should be under $1500 with tremolo.
The Bad Cat Cub should come in at a price that is very similar to the Marshall 18-watt RI (just over $2K with reverb, about $500 less without). I think it does come down to whether you prefer a Vox-related tone (Bad Cat, Matchless, etc.) or a Marshall tone. I'd like one of each, but at these prices that's not too likely. The Savage Macht 12 (or 6) is another one to look at, although it's a dual 6V6 design -- supposedly somewhat of a Marshall flavor despite the tube selection -- should be under $1500 with tremolo.
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