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Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Oh man..so goood!!!!
Oh man..so goood!!!!
Short clip of my 68 Strat
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kevlar3000
Bullet Proof Toneologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Greazy Greazy Greazy!! LOVE IT!!
Greazy Greazy Greazy!! LOVE IT!!
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Les Paul people, eat your heart out.
Les Paul people, eat your heart out.
porterburst
New member
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Very sweet sounding Super Champ. What speaker and tubes are you using?
Very sweet sounding Super Champ. What speaker and tubes are you using?
wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
The speaker is a Celestion G10S-50, and the tubes are late 50's RCA blackplate 12AX7, 12AT7, and 6V6GT's. 70's GE 6C10.
Cheers........................................ wahwah
The speaker is a Celestion G10S-50, and the tubes are late 50's RCA blackplate 12AX7, 12AT7, and 6V6GT's. 70's GE 6C10.
Cheers........................................ wahwah
bungalowbill
Luckybastidologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Awesome as usual. Geoff, you will LOVE the surfers....I put them in my guitar a year or so ago and they have everything the ssl-1's have, and an added little bit of something that is hard to describe....air maybe?
Good luck with the surgery.
Awesome as usual. Geoff, you will LOVE the surfers....I put them in my guitar a year or so ago and they have everything the ssl-1's have, and an added little bit of something that is hard to describe....air maybe?
Good luck with the surgery.
wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Well this thread dates back to 2007, I think porterburst may have been on a Super Champ search. I didn't really bond with the antiquities, so a couple are still spare and one ended up in my '77 Ibanez 'Laswuit' Strat copy. I think it's been so long with the SSL-1s and SSL-5 in there that I can't hear anything else in that guitar.
Cheers..................................... wahwah
Awesome as usual. Geoff, you will LOVE the surfers....I put them in my guitar a year or so ago and they have everything the ssl-1's have, and an added little bit of something that is hard to describe....air maybe?
Good luck with the surgery.
Well this thread dates back to 2007, I think porterburst may have been on a Super Champ search. I didn't really bond with the antiquities, so a couple are still spare and one ended up in my '77 Ibanez 'Laswuit' Strat copy. I think it's been so long with the SSL-1s and SSL-5 in there that I can't hear anything else in that guitar.
Cheers..................................... wahwah
bungalowbill
Luckybastidologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Doh! :foot:
I liked the SSL1-s...the Surfers worked better in my Strat.
I have the tapped ssl-6 in the bridge.....very similar setup.
Doh! :foot:
I liked the SSL1-s...the Surfers worked better in my Strat.
I have the tapped ssl-6 in the bridge.....very similar setup.
wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
I can understand that for sure. I could hear the air that you're talking about in the Surfers, it struck me like the difference between ceramic and alnico speakers. They sound great, and would certainly open up a lot of Strats I would imagine, and make them a lot more touchy feely. I can hear them working perfectly with your style, because you play with a big dynamic range and they would give you that snap when you dig in. On mine, it sounded like something was being 'added,' if you know what I mean, and the Old Dear just sniffed and threw her head back with derision until I promised to put the old pickups back in. Something about the bog standard nature of the SSL-1 just allows her to be her dear old self. Although I'm totally open to the possibility that I am just so used to that sound after all these years.
Cheers..................................... ~G~
I can understand that for sure. I could hear the air that you're talking about in the Surfers, it struck me like the difference between ceramic and alnico speakers. They sound great, and would certainly open up a lot of Strats I would imagine, and make them a lot more touchy feely. I can hear them working perfectly with your style, because you play with a big dynamic range and they would give you that snap when you dig in. On mine, it sounded like something was being 'added,' if you know what I mean, and the Old Dear just sniffed and threw her head back with derision until I promised to put the old pickups back in. Something about the bog standard nature of the SSL-1 just allows her to be her dear old self. Although I'm totally open to the possibility that I am just so used to that sound after all these years.
Cheers..................................... ~G~
bungalowbill
Luckybastidologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Exactly! My strat is a midrangey (mangy?) old beast and it did open her up a bit.....and I do tend to beat the crap out of the guitar from time to time.
Exactly! My strat is a midrangey (mangy?) old beast and it did open her up a bit.....and I do tend to beat the crap out of the guitar from time to time.
porterburst
New member
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Thanks for the info. Love the clips!
I've played and owned many vintage Fenders and Marshall amps including the Deluxe Reverb II, but never the Super Champ. I've always loved powerful, versatile, small amps, and own three small amps now. The Super Champ seems like a cool amp to grab one day. CAn't go wron with RCA's, I use them all the time.
I have three Strats, but play really nice Les Paul's most of the time.
How does it sound with humbuckers??
How hot or cold are your 6V6GT's running?
Is the bias stock..fixed, or did you install a bias post to adjust the 6V6's?
Any tone mods?
Thanks for the info. Love the clips!
I've played and owned many vintage Fenders and Marshall amps including the Deluxe Reverb II, but never the Super Champ. I've always loved powerful, versatile, small amps, and own three small amps now. The Super Champ seems like a cool amp to grab one day. CAn't go wron with RCA's, I use them all the time.
I have three Strats, but play really nice Les Paul's most of the time.
How does it sound with humbuckers??
How hot or cold are your 6V6GT's running?
Is the bias stock..fixed, or did you install a bias post to adjust the 6V6's?
Any tone mods?
wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
I love my little Super Champs. I got a second one a few years ago as a backup, and it turned up with everything original, including the tubes and the hard to find footswitch. But the old 50's RCAs are a definite improvement over the stock tubes. I love the blackplate 50's 12AX7s so much that I've put them in most of my amps. They seem to work great in anything other than British voiced amps, where the early 60's short plate Mullards are very hard to beat.
I've never used it with humbuckers, I'm a one guitar kinda guy and my old Strat does everything. It's a great little tone foundation anyway, so I'm sure a good guitar with humbuckers would be sweet anyway.
No mods to the circuit and the bias is stock and fixed. The original speaker in the Super Champ gave them a kind of papery, thin sound, so I think the Celestion, which was in it when I bought it in '94, really adds a lot of character to this particular amp. I started using it live about 10 years ago, when I got tired of being subjected to mediocre hired backline. It's great having a little tone machine that can fly around without incurring excess baggage fees, and still provide great tone, consistently. It sounds fantastic through a quality PA, and equally at home in the studio. A great little allrounder.
Cheers.................................. wahwah
I love my little Super Champs. I got a second one a few years ago as a backup, and it turned up with everything original, including the tubes and the hard to find footswitch. But the old 50's RCAs are a definite improvement over the stock tubes. I love the blackplate 50's 12AX7s so much that I've put them in most of my amps. They seem to work great in anything other than British voiced amps, where the early 60's short plate Mullards are very hard to beat.
I've never used it with humbuckers, I'm a one guitar kinda guy and my old Strat does everything. It's a great little tone foundation anyway, so I'm sure a good guitar with humbuckers would be sweet anyway.
No mods to the circuit and the bias is stock and fixed. The original speaker in the Super Champ gave them a kind of papery, thin sound, so I think the Celestion, which was in it when I bought it in '94, really adds a lot of character to this particular amp. I started using it live about 10 years ago, when I got tired of being subjected to mediocre hired backline. It's great having a little tone machine that can fly around without incurring excess baggage fees, and still provide great tone, consistently. It sounds fantastic through a quality PA, and equally at home in the studio. A great little allrounder.
Cheers.................................. wahwah
porterburst
New member
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
I 've read with the fixed bias sometimes the highs on the gain channel can be kind of harsh, and the bottom can become flubby when cranked on either channel. Is this true with your Super Champ?
How's the gain in general on your amp? Is it smooth, raspy, etc?
Is it noisy when on the gain channel?
I 've read with the fixed bias sometimes the highs on the gain channel can be kind of harsh, and the bottom can become flubby when cranked on either channel. Is this true with your Super Champ?
How's the gain in general on your amp? Is it smooth, raspy, etc?
Is it noisy when on the gain channel?
wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
The second channel reminds me of an early Mesa Boogie, lots of gain and very smooth. I hardly ever use it, because the footswitch on these is one of those horrid designs that loops the signal through the switch itself, rendering the clean channel deprived of its usual gain structure. You also lose the reverb on the second channel, because of the way Rivera implemented the tubes for reverb send and retrieval, taking up the 12AT7 as another tube gain stage. So live, I just use the clean channel with good pedals. The top end is clear and bell like with no harshness, and the bottom end is very tight and fast, partly due to the solid state rectifier. Again, I think the Celestion helps a lot with this. I can imagine that the inefficiency of the original speaker could suffer both of the problems you mentioned at the extremes.
When I've used the gain channel in recording, I haven't noticed any excess noise beyond what you would expect from a preamp that is running through a few tube stages.
Cheers....................................... wahwah
The second channel reminds me of an early Mesa Boogie, lots of gain and very smooth. I hardly ever use it, because the footswitch on these is one of those horrid designs that loops the signal through the switch itself, rendering the clean channel deprived of its usual gain structure. You also lose the reverb on the second channel, because of the way Rivera implemented the tubes for reverb send and retrieval, taking up the 12AT7 as another tube gain stage. So live, I just use the clean channel with good pedals. The top end is clear and bell like with no harshness, and the bottom end is very tight and fast, partly due to the solid state rectifier. Again, I think the Celestion helps a lot with this. I can imagine that the inefficiency of the original speaker could suffer both of the problems you mentioned at the extremes.
When I've used the gain channel in recording, I haven't noticed any excess noise beyond what you would expect from a preamp that is running through a few tube stages.
Cheers....................................... wahwah
porterburst
New member
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
So, no way to have verb on the gain channel at all?
Is the tone on the gain channel over compressed like on some Boogies?
Sounds like a cool little amp. I just may purchase one some day soon.
So, no way to have verb on the gain channel at all?
Is the tone on the gain channel over compressed like on some Boogies?
Sounds like a cool little amp. I just may purchase one some day soon.
wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
The gain channel has a fairly broad range, dependant on the combination of channel volume, the mid control (which is a pull pot on the treble control) and the lead channel's separate master volume. It will go from a fairly smooth version of Fender crunch right up to early Boogie style saturation.
On the reverb front, it's one of the quirks of Rivera's design, and the fact that he was trying to squeeze a lot out of the 12AX7, 12AT7, and the odd 6C10 tube, to get the versatility in the amp. I believe he routed the signal through one side of the 12AT7 to get an extra gain stage for the lead channel, thus sacrificing its function on the clean channel of being the reverb driver. A questionable design quirk, but it is what it is.
Cheers....................................... wahwah
The gain channel has a fairly broad range, dependant on the combination of channel volume, the mid control (which is a pull pot on the treble control) and the lead channel's separate master volume. It will go from a fairly smooth version of Fender crunch right up to early Boogie style saturation.
On the reverb front, it's one of the quirks of Rivera's design, and the fact that he was trying to squeeze a lot out of the 12AX7, 12AT7, and the odd 6C10 tube, to get the versatility in the amp. I believe he routed the signal through one side of the 12AT7 to get an extra gain stage for the lead channel, thus sacrificing its function on the clean channel of being the reverb driver. A questionable design quirk, but it is what it is.
Cheers....................................... wahwah
Mr 9finger
Digitally Challenged
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
God I wish I could make a Strat sound like that!
God I wish I could make a Strat sound like that!
porterburst
New member
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
How would you compare the Super Champ tone to the Champ II?
Does the Super Champs have that classic Fender bounce when you hit a note?
I know the Champ II doesn't have the reverb and gain channel like the Super Champ, but does both amps sounds basically the same?
I turned my buddy onto the Super Champ afew days ago, and he purchased a Champ II yesterday, and may pick up a Super Champ soon.....lol.
Thanks for all the great info.
How would you compare the Super Champ tone to the Champ II?
Does the Super Champs have that classic Fender bounce when you hit a note?
I know the Champ II doesn't have the reverb and gain channel like the Super Champ, but does both amps sounds basically the same?
I turned my buddy onto the Super Champ afew days ago, and he purchased a Champ II yesterday, and may pick up a Super Champ soon.....lol.
Thanks for all the great info.
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Bludave
New member
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
You should really like the Surfers Jeff. I have them in a Strat & they are as close to an old Strat as I think you can get. I also have a RW/RP middle & the bridge pickup is a tad overwound so its a little hotter.
BTW did you tune the Strat different on your Slide tune??
You should really like the Surfers Jeff. I have them in a Strat & they are as close to an old Strat as I think you can get. I also have a RW/RP middle & the bridge pickup is a tad overwound so its a little hotter.
BTW did you tune the Strat different on your Slide tune??
wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: Short clip of my 68 Strat
Well, no, as I was explaining to Joe a few posts back, this thread is from 4 years ago and was resurrected by porterburst who had some questions about the Super Champ. I didn't really bond with the Surfers and went back to my preferred SSL-1s.
Standard tuning on the Strat for the slide tune.
Cheers................................... Geoff.
Well, no, as I was explaining to Joe a few posts back, this thread is from 4 years ago and was resurrected by porterburst who had some questions about the Super Champ. I didn't really bond with the Surfers and went back to my preferred SSL-1s.
Standard tuning on the Strat for the slide tune.
Cheers................................... Geoff.
