JoeHammersmith
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
Right on. Did the amp seem to be nice and warm or did it sound some what cold?
Right on. Did the amp seem to be nice and warm or did it sound some what cold?
Sig:X anyone?
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Hot _Grits
Buttery Toneologist
Re: Sig:X anyone?
When set for VHT-metal stun it sounded cold. It could be made to sound warmer on more classic settings, but overall slightly on the cold side to my ears.
When set for VHT-metal stun it sounded cold. It could be made to sound warmer on more classic settings, but overall slightly on the cold side to my ears.
JoeHammersmith
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
hmmm.... makes me wonder if the tubes need to biased a little hotter then. If that's even possible to do with that amp.
hmmm.... makes me wonder if the tubes need to biased a little hotter then. If that's even possible to do with that amp.
rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
Sovtek KT88's are supposed to be pretty warm to start with (haven't tried any other KT88's in a VHT so I can't compare). You could change them for Groove Tubes or JJ KT88's (both are supposedly warm) as well as changing the Shuguang 12AX7A's for RCA's?
E-mail Vht- productinfo@vhtamp.com
Sovtek KT88's are supposed to be pretty warm to start with (haven't tried any other KT88's in a VHT so I can't compare). You could change them for Groove Tubes or JJ KT88's (both are supposedly warm) as well as changing the Shuguang 12AX7A's for RCA's?
E-mail Vht- productinfo@vhtamp.com
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JoeHammersmith
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PVFan
Fudgeitallologist
Re: Sig:X anyone?
I'd rather have the UL, CLX, or 50CL, me.
The Sig-X just seems really bassy, and yes, cold, and (sigh) yes, nowhere near as...tight. There, I used that word. The warmest VHTs are the ones with EL34s, of course. If I were to pick a KT-88 based model it would be the $3400 UL or the Deliverance 60 (its big brother is too much amp for me. Goes from 0 to Cloverfield monster in a millimeter turn of the master). I don't think the cleans on the Sig can compare to the incredible cleans of the UL. Same with the distortion. Value-wise, the Sig-X is still a contender, I am glad Steve made it, and I hope he continues in that direction. I could get along with it.
I'd rather have the UL, CLX, or 50CL, me.
The Sig-X just seems really bassy, and yes, cold, and (sigh) yes, nowhere near as...tight. There, I used that word. The warmest VHTs are the ones with EL34s, of course. If I were to pick a KT-88 based model it would be the $3400 UL or the Deliverance 60 (its big brother is too much amp for me. Goes from 0 to Cloverfield monster in a millimeter turn of the master). I don't think the cleans on the Sig can compare to the incredible cleans of the UL. Same with the distortion. Value-wise, the Sig-X is still a contender, I am glad Steve made it, and I hope he continues in that direction. I could get along with it.
rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
I'd like to point out to JoeHammersmith that, not being as tight as the Ultra Lead doesn't equal Uberschall/Recto/5150-6505 level of low-end looseness.
ENGL's are very tight (check Necrophagist) but still aren't as tight as the Pittbull UL so don't let that put you off.
As for the cleans, that's down to opinion. Since I've not played it, I can't make one, but (As I said earlier) many VHT users have asked the question whether the Sig:X has the best cleans of all VHT amps.
A/B-ing the Ultra Lead and the Sig:X through the same cab model (and the Sig:X on 100w mode obviously) will tell you more than anyone in this thread.
I'd like to point out to JoeHammersmith that, not being as tight as the Ultra Lead doesn't equal Uberschall/Recto/5150-6505 level of low-end looseness.
ENGL's are very tight (check Necrophagist) but still aren't as tight as the Pittbull UL so don't let that put you off.
As for the cleans, that's down to opinion. Since I've not played it, I can't make one, but (As I said earlier) many VHT users have asked the question whether the Sig:X has the best cleans of all VHT amps.
A/B-ing the Ultra Lead and the Sig:X through the same cab model (and the Sig:X on 100w mode obviously) will tell you more than anyone in this thread.
PVFan
Fudgeitallologist
Re: Sig:X anyone?
The phrase I used was "nowhere near" as tight. It did seem loose. I don't agree with your grouping for use as comparison: "Uberschall/Recto/5150-6505". The 5150 is not loose to me, though it sort of can be if you want, depends how you dial it up. It's flexible. Another thing that makes it good. VHT cabs were used for my tryouts with each VHT amp except for the 50CL.
I've been astonished for a long time now about how much you're willing to disagree, put words in others mouths and twist what they say, make assumptions on their behalf, and add qualifying factoids about gear you haven't played or owned with people who have.
Look, if someone like Hot Grits was to disagree with me about gear he's tried, that is valid. When you do it, it always seems to be based on things you've heard others say or things you've read, and for various unknown reasons, things you'd like to believe but can't back up or verify. These things may even be true, but your presentative bases are not valid.
I'd like to point out to JoeHammersmith that, not being as tight as the Ultra Lead doesn't equal Uberschall/Recto/5150-6505 level of low-end looseness.
ENGL's are very tight (check Necrophagist) but still aren't as tight as the Pittbull UL so don't let that put you off.
As for the cleans, that's down to opinion. Since I've not played it, I can't make one, but (As I said earlier) many VHT users have asked the question whether the Sig:X has the best cleans of all VHT amps.
A/B-ing the Ultra Lead and the Sig:X through the same cab model (and the Sig:X on 100w mode obviously) will tell you more than anyone in this thread.
The phrase I used was "nowhere near" as tight. It did seem loose. I don't agree with your grouping for use as comparison: "Uberschall/Recto/5150-6505". The 5150 is not loose to me, though it sort of can be if you want, depends how you dial it up. It's flexible. Another thing that makes it good. VHT cabs were used for my tryouts with each VHT amp except for the 50CL.
I've been astonished for a long time now about how much you're willing to disagree, put words in others mouths and twist what they say, make assumptions on their behalf, and add qualifying factoids about gear you haven't played or owned with people who have.
Look, if someone like Hot Grits was to disagree with me about gear he's tried, that is valid. When you do it, it always seems to be based on things you've heard others say or things you've read, and for various unknown reasons, things you'd like to believe but can't back up or verify. These things may even be true, but your presentative bases are not valid.
SlopternatePicking
New member
Re: Sig:X anyone?
VHTs do sound pretty cold and so dry you'd choke yourself. But then again that's a tradeoff to make for the ultimate staccato metal low end, I guess.
VHTs do sound pretty cold and so dry you'd choke yourself. But then again that's a tradeoff to make for the ultimate staccato metal low end, I guess.
PVFan
Fudgeitallologist
Re: Sig:X anyone?
good summary of the brand, Slop.
This model seems less of all those things. Not as cold, not as dry, not as staccato. Yet still mostly VHT-sounding. Hard to describe without getting into an adjective war. More generic and less uniquely VHT.
I wish Steve would make a simple 2-channel, UL voiced, dual kt-88 with no switches, no graphic, no master. With a parallel loop for each channel. Maybe a mid/gain boost. Under $1500. The Sig-X is not much more expensive than that, and it has more switches and modes than a stealth fighter cockpit. I should ask him to do that.
I'd like to try the 45 combo. Seems most people point to that one as their fave VHT.
good summary of the brand, Slop.
This model seems less of all those things. Not as cold, not as dry, not as staccato. Yet still mostly VHT-sounding. Hard to describe without getting into an adjective war. More generic and less uniquely VHT.
I wish Steve would make a simple 2-channel, UL voiced, dual kt-88 with no switches, no graphic, no master. With a parallel loop for each channel. Maybe a mid/gain boost. Under $1500. The Sig-X is not much more expensive than that, and it has more switches and modes than a stealth fighter cockpit. I should ask him to do that.
I'd like to try the 45 combo. Seems most people point to that one as their fave VHT.
rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
Well, it's all about opinion, no-one could call the 5150 a "tight" amp though which was my point.
I think it is as loose as a Uberschall but is a better amp- it doesn't have to be tight for every type of playing.
I haven't put words in your mouth or twisted what you said.
Also, I've never said I've played the Sig:X, read through the thread again, I've actually ended phrases with "I haven't played it though" or something similar.
But I have played the other VHT's I mentioned so I think I'm allowed to have an opinion on VHT amps.
Knowing their amps, I very much doubt the 100w mode on the Sig:X will be as loose as a Uberschall but since I HAVEN'T played it, I don't know. I'd be shocked if the 40w setting was as loose as the Uber, but again I haven't played it.
I think your post was misleading so I wanted to point out to Joe H that an amp doesn't need to be as tight as an Ultra Lead to be a tight amp.
I was only following on from your post, not contradicting it. The part about the Sig:X cleans Is valid since VHT users have asked it. I didn't say "PVFan is talking crap!" or anything, I was just pointing out that an amp doesn't need to be as tight as an UL to be considered "tight" as a general concencus.
No, if ANYONE was to disagree with you on gear they've tried it's valid.
Well that's your problem, I'm pretty sure I'm spot on with the VHT tone having played some.
Whenever I post an outside opinion, I always make sure I mention it's an outside opinion not my own. There's nothing wrong with that. The OP doesn't need to take it as gospel, only another side of the coin.
It's pretty hard for anyone to back up what they say about tone of an amp btw. You'd need to play it to see if said person is right or wrong. I have no bias to one particular amp company so I'm not sure where you get the "things you'd like to believe" part from. That's BS man, sorry but that only really has any weight behind it when the person you're talking to has a sponsorship with a company.
Again, I haven't said in this thread I've played a Sig-X, only posted typical VHT tonal hallmarks and various clips (Which I've said are ONLY clips). Since I've played other VHT's, I think I'm allowed to have an opinion as much as Hot_Grits or you have.
Well, it's all about opinion, no-one could call the 5150 a "tight" amp though which was my point.
I think it is as loose as a Uberschall but is a better amp- it doesn't have to be tight for every type of playing.
I haven't put words in your mouth or twisted what you said.
Also, I've never said I've played the Sig:X, read through the thread again, I've actually ended phrases with "I haven't played it though" or something similar.
But I have played the other VHT's I mentioned so I think I'm allowed to have an opinion on VHT amps.
Knowing their amps, I very much doubt the 100w mode on the Sig:X will be as loose as a Uberschall but since I HAVEN'T played it, I don't know. I'd be shocked if the 40w setting was as loose as the Uber, but again I haven't played it.
I think your post was misleading so I wanted to point out to Joe H that an amp doesn't need to be as tight as an Ultra Lead to be a tight amp.
I was only following on from your post, not contradicting it. The part about the Sig:X cleans Is valid since VHT users have asked it. I didn't say "PVFan is talking crap!" or anything, I was just pointing out that an amp doesn't need to be as tight as an UL to be considered "tight" as a general concencus.
No, if ANYONE was to disagree with you on gear they've tried it's valid.
Well that's your problem, I'm pretty sure I'm spot on with the VHT tone having played some.
Whenever I post an outside opinion, I always make sure I mention it's an outside opinion not my own. There's nothing wrong with that. The OP doesn't need to take it as gospel, only another side of the coin.
It's pretty hard for anyone to back up what they say about tone of an amp btw. You'd need to play it to see if said person is right or wrong. I have no bias to one particular amp company so I'm not sure where you get the "things you'd like to believe" part from. That's BS man, sorry but that only really has any weight behind it when the person you're talking to has a sponsorship with a company.
Again, I haven't said in this thread I've played a Sig-X, only posted typical VHT tonal hallmarks and various clips (Which I've said are ONLY clips). Since I've played other VHT's, I think I'm allowed to have an opinion as much as Hot_Grits or you have.
PVFan
Fudgeitallologist
Re: Sig:X anyone?
Nah. They should have a clue and not just regurgitate common info and popular (mis)conceptions. You do have balls though to constantly argue with people about gear they own when you haven't spent a fraction of the time with the same gear.
Nah. They should have a clue and not just regurgitate common info and popular (mis)conceptions. You do have balls though to constantly argue with people about gear they own when you haven't spent a fraction of the time with the same gear.
rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
Lol, ok mate. Good comeback.
Stop crapping on Joe's thread please & keep out of my way. Win-win as far as I'm concerned since you've given no valuable info in this thread.
As soon as Joe plays the UL & Sig:X side-by-side, that'll tell him more about the amp than anyone in this thread can.
Lol, ok mate. Good comeback.
Stop crapping on Joe's thread please & keep out of my way. Win-win as far as I'm concerned since you've given no valuable info in this thread.
As soon as Joe plays the UL & Sig:X side-by-side, that'll tell him more about the amp than anyone in this thread can.
JoeHammersmith
New member
Re: Sig:X anyone?
Everything is cool guys. Lol. I definitely appreciate all opinions that come good or bad. I've heard many good things about VHT and the Sig:X is in a decent price range for me so I'm very curious about it. Who knows maybe I'll play it and not like it... or maybe I'll play it and I'll really like it. I didn't think I'd like the Orange Rockerverb 50, but I did. Same with the Peavey Penta. I thought I'd like a Mesa, but I didn't care for it. But that's just me. My guess is that any amp that's $3500 or more, is probably going to be really really good. Whether it's what a person wants, is another story. I'm hoping though that if I do get to play a UL vs a Sig:X that I like the Sig:X better just because jonesing for high priced amp will likely be more painful than a less expensive amp lol
Everything is cool guys. Lol. I definitely appreciate all opinions that come good or bad. I've heard many good things about VHT and the Sig:X is in a decent price range for me so I'm very curious about it. Who knows maybe I'll play it and not like it... or maybe I'll play it and I'll really like it. I didn't think I'd like the Orange Rockerverb 50, but I did. Same with the Peavey Penta. I thought I'd like a Mesa, but I didn't care for it. But that's just me. My guess is that any amp that's $3500 or more, is probably going to be really really good. Whether it's what a person wants, is another story. I'm hoping though that if I do get to play a UL vs a Sig:X that I like the Sig:X better just because jonesing for high priced amp will likely be more painful than a less expensive amp lol
PVFan
Fudgeitallologist
Re: Sig:X anyone?
I'd rather derail the misinfo train than have to listen to its steam whistle blowin hard.
If you were to minimize that, then Bob's your uncle. Especially in other threads I've started (where you've mocked my opinions about MY gear).
Here's some. I played the gear before I gave my meager offering. You post *a lot* more often that in threads about gear you've never touched. You even suggested I get my amp modded even though I like it just fine the way it is. Seems dumb.
You have a stranglehold on the obvious and needlessly mentioned on that point, great deducer. Are you saying he shouldn't have started the thread?
I'd rather derail the misinfo train than have to listen to its steam whistle blowin hard.
If you were to minimize that, then Bob's your uncle. Especially in other threads I've started (where you've mocked my opinions about MY gear).
Here's some. I played the gear before I gave my meager offering. You post *a lot* more often that in threads about gear you've never touched. You even suggested I get my amp modded even though I like it just fine the way it is. Seems dumb.
You have a stranglehold on the obvious and needlessly mentioned on that point, great deducer. Are you saying he shouldn't have started the thread?
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rivera213
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Re: Sig:X anyone?
There's no misinformation in this thread or any other. If you disagree with opinions then fine but you like the 6505 cleans & I hate them so it's obvious we wont agree on gear.
You made a thread slamming Bogner & I agreed with some of what you said. But many a time your views on gear is inconsitent, at least mine is (whether you agree with me or not).
I wasn't the only 1 who disagreed with you in your anti-Bogner thread, and I've probably played as many Bogners as, what 50%, of them have. Do you disregard 50% of all comments?
Did I say anywhere in my posts "I've played the Sig:X"?
I just gave my opinions on VHT as well as post clips. I'm sure that's a lot more helpful to Joe than your backhanded post.
And I don't post opinions on a specific piece of gear I haven't played, only the maufacturer from personal experience.
Again, I made it abundently clear to Joe that I haven't played the Sig:X so what's the big problem?
I posted the site of a well known 5150 modder for your info & possibl benefit!!!
I didn't say "you NEED to have it modded", I said in case you want it modded, here's a good modder by popular concensus.
I know a few people with 5150's who didn't know about FJA til I sent them the link & were glad I did, If you don't want to mod your amp then fine but I'm sure many (not all but many) 5150 users would like to KO the fizz and tighten the low end a touch.
I'm pretty sure I didn't hold a gun to your head and say "Mod your 5150 now!".
I'd be over the moon if someone gave me a link to a modder of an amp I had which I never knew about previously. But then I don't have an arsehole gene like you do.
Not at all because he wanted some info BEFORE he tried them. Read his posts & you'll know there isn't a dealer around his area but he will be able to go to 1 soon.
How long did you spend with the Sig:X btw?
Surely if you're consistent (which you're not so pardon the rhetorical question), wouldn't you have needed to actually own the amp to give an opinion?
In which case, why have you posted in this thread?
I know for a fact I've started threads on here where the people in the thread haven't played the specific amp/guitar/pickup but have played others from that company & I've been greatful for the info. I'd rather some info than no info. I'm smart enough to come to my on conclusion and I'm sure Joe is too.
Without sucking my own knob, I think I have given some useful info to Joe about what to look for in the Sig:X whilst making it clear I have only played other amps from the same manufacturer so not to take what I say as a given.
I don't see the problem.
Saying the 6505 has great cleans however is the definition of misinformation. :lmao: (JOKE).
There's no misinformation in this thread or any other. If you disagree with opinions then fine but you like the 6505 cleans & I hate them so it's obvious we wont agree on gear.
You made a thread slamming Bogner & I agreed with some of what you said. But many a time your views on gear is inconsitent, at least mine is (whether you agree with me or not).
I wasn't the only 1 who disagreed with you in your anti-Bogner thread, and I've probably played as many Bogners as, what 50%, of them have. Do you disregard 50% of all comments?
Did I say anywhere in my posts "I've played the Sig:X"?
I just gave my opinions on VHT as well as post clips. I'm sure that's a lot more helpful to Joe than your backhanded post.
And I don't post opinions on a specific piece of gear I haven't played, only the maufacturer from personal experience.
Again, I made it abundently clear to Joe that I haven't played the Sig:X so what's the big problem?
I posted the site of a well known 5150 modder for your info & possibl benefit!!!
I didn't say "you NEED to have it modded", I said in case you want it modded, here's a good modder by popular concensus.
I know a few people with 5150's who didn't know about FJA til I sent them the link & were glad I did, If you don't want to mod your amp then fine but I'm sure many (not all but many) 5150 users would like to KO the fizz and tighten the low end a touch.
I'm pretty sure I didn't hold a gun to your head and say "Mod your 5150 now!".
I'd be over the moon if someone gave me a link to a modder of an amp I had which I never knew about previously. But then I don't have an arsehole gene like you do.
Not at all because he wanted some info BEFORE he tried them. Read his posts & you'll know there isn't a dealer around his area but he will be able to go to 1 soon.
How long did you spend with the Sig:X btw?
Surely if you're consistent (which you're not so pardon the rhetorical question), wouldn't you have needed to actually own the amp to give an opinion?
In which case, why have you posted in this thread?
I know for a fact I've started threads on here where the people in the thread haven't played the specific amp/guitar/pickup but have played others from that company & I've been greatful for the info. I'd rather some info than no info. I'm smart enough to come to my on conclusion and I'm sure Joe is too.
Without sucking my own knob, I think I have given some useful info to Joe about what to look for in the Sig:X whilst making it clear I have only played other amps from the same manufacturer so not to take what I say as a given.
I don't see the problem.
Saying the 6505 has great cleans however is the definition of misinformation. :lmao: (JOKE).
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PVFan
Fudgeitallologist
Re: Sig:X anyone?
Okay, okay. I'll tell ya what. I'll confess to slamming and trolling on you, and even apologize for it, if you admit to opening the door on this by passive-aggressively mocking other people's opinions like mine in other threads, going as far as referring to me in the 3rd person when you did.
Fair?
Okay, okay. I'll tell ya what. I'll confess to slamming and trolling on you, and even apologize for it, if you admit to opening the door on this by passive-aggressively mocking other people's opinions like mine in other threads, going as far as referring to me in the 3rd person when you did.
Fair?
Hot _Grits
Buttery Toneologist
Re: Sig:X anyone?
Both you guys are being a bit silly.
I can tell you this: the 40w sigx setting is quite a revoicing of the amp, much looser and more vintage. I would say the 40w setting is looser than the uber.
It's best not to think about the 40w setting as 'cool, I can get the same tone but less loud'. It's more 'cool, that's like a different amp, more tones for my money'.
Both you guys are being a bit silly.
I can tell you this: the 40w sigx setting is quite a revoicing of the amp, much looser and more vintage. I would say the 40w setting is looser than the uber.
It's best not to think about the 40w setting as 'cool, I can get the same tone but less loud'. It's more 'cool, that's like a different amp, more tones for my money'.