Slippery When Wet

Benjy_26

25's Nemesis
Hello all.

Recently, I've been listening to a fair bit of Bon Jovi (been on a Poodle Rock kick, I suppose) and have been really digging Mr Sambora's tones on the Slippery When Wet album, particularly with his tones one "You Give Love A Bad Name".

To my ear, the amp is some sort of hotted up Marshall. What I haven't been able to get it that thick-yet-bright tone he gets on that song. the chewey, crunchy midrange on leads and that grinding top end he gets along with the chunky, tight low end on the rythms sound pretty kickin' to me.

I'd like to get me some of that, to be honest. I know that around that time, Richie was a super strat kind of guy, and the attack and snap in his tones seem to reflect this. I currently own a Godin SD that I'd like to slate for this type of playing. The guitar itself plays great and is very well made. Unplugged, it has good sparkle to the highs, it sustains well, and has a tight, punchy low end. It's got a 24 fret, 24.75" scale, rosewood on maple neck, a soft maple body, and a recessed Schaller floyd set to dive only. The guitar is set up in a HSS format for now, though I'd like to get a custom HH pickguard cut for it at some point.

Now, the current bridge pickup that's in there ( a PATB-1b/Demon hybrid) is a bit too fat in the highs and chunky in the lows to get this tone. Also, the midrange seems a bit TOO even to get that snarly lead tone.

This is what I have in my parts box to try:

CC Trembucker, PATB-3, PG+, and a regular PG.

I do hear a bit of that Dimarzio "cocked wha" sort of thing, but I don't know a whole lot about Dimarzio's 'buckers, save for the Super D.

What would you guys recommend for that tone in that Godin through a Marshall style amp (Rivera R100).

Thanks in advance.
 
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Throw a PAF Pro in the bridge and you'll be right in the ballpark. He used that in the bridge of his guitars a lot back then. I think he may have even had a PAF Pro in the neck as well. That would be a killer setup for that.
 
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I thought he was using JB's back then? A Custom would also cover it. I do know when his signature strat came out he had Dimarzio PAF's in the bridge.
 
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The Strat has a PAF Pro in the bridge, for sure. His Kramers came with JB's but I'm pretty sure he changed one of them to PAF Pro's.
 
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The secret is he used an octave doubling effect on that song to create that thick wall of sound throughout the song. My Boss GT-10 had a preset that nailed that tone, I forget what other effects were in that preset, but the octave doubler is really what you're hearing. It has little to do with the pickup. I think the preset was using a Marshall JCM800. If you go on youtube, there's a video of Ritchie teaching how to play the some, and he shows how the octave doubler is needed.

When you hear him live without it, his tone is alot thinner and "wimpier"
 
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All throughout? I hear the octave during the intro lead and the main lead but not during the verses and chorus. I need to look up that video.
 
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I'm hearing the same thing Erik. Maybe the doubler on your GT-10 gives a good approximation of multi-tracked guitars? Either way, thanks for the tip. I'll mess with the doubler on my GT-8 and see if that gets me closer.
 
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his kramers had JB's and he used a tubescreamer into a marshall like almost everyone else did back then.
 
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Damn, just listened to a live recording. His tone is pretty diffeent, to be honest. Someone definately worked some studio magic on that track.
 
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Damn, just listened to a live recording. His tone is pretty diffeent, to be honest. Someone definately worked some studio magic on that track.

There's also alot of doubled up rhythm tracks etc on the recording, which will have a bigger influence on the sound than any pickup on a single recorded guitar (i.e live) would have.
 
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have you tried the JB>wah>marshall method yet? i'm not really a bon jovi guy, but that's what i'd be doing to get the tone i think you mean
 
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His studio stuff has more processing than Katy Perry's voice. Plug in that GT-6 and let it rock. Compression, Distortion, EQ, Chorus, Delay, Pitch...

The pickup is irrelevant; Could use an old Epiphone brick if you wanted. But I like JB or PF Pro
 
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