So I Got a Floyd Equipped Guitar... Now What?

Agileguy_101

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Forum bros are probably familiar with my recent purchase of a Music Man Steve Morse model with the optional Gotoh Floyd. I love the bridge, don't get me wrong - using the bar never ever puts it out of tune, the nridge itself is extremely comfortable under my hand, etc.

So I find myself wondering what I've been missing out on for all these years. What kind of things can I only do with a Floyd? Keep in mind that it's a dive only.
 
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Only with a Floyd, as opposed to…?

"Dive only" is awesome in a different way, but there are some cool things you can do only with a floating trem. See Tedward Vander Hoosen for cool stuff you can do with a decked Floyd.
 
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As opposed to a Strat type trem. I always hear about cool stuff you can only do with a dual locking trem. I guess most of those things apply to full floating examples.
 
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A lot of it does. Articulating notes up, much easier with a floating trem. You can do it with a Strat trem, or with a decked Floyd, but it's harder in the latter case because you have to start with the trem pulled forward. Flutters are my favorite. They're easy with many floating trems, but they're not possible with a decked trem (as far as I know). Still, some guys with dive-only trems do stuff that I can't do regardless of what bridge I'm using, so…
 
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I don't know what I would do with a dive only vibrato. When I add a "waver," I like to go sharp and neutral, not flat and neutral. It sound more musical, more subtle, and less hokey to me. My other most common use for a vibrato is either a one-step or half step upward bend, or adding one step or half a step to an already existent one-step finger bend. Dive only allows none of that.
 
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Go nuts.
 
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I have never owned a Floyd guitar (which is really funny, 'cause when I was a teenager I wanted one so bad I could taste it), but if I ever do (probably for nostalgia purposes to have fun going crazy with once in a while :) ) I would get one that's down only, for two reasons:

1)When the bridge is flush and making good contact with the body, you get an awful lot more resonance than when it is just balanced on 2 screws and floating between springs and strings - to me, that equals more sustain and a beefier, bigger tone; and

2)If you break a string onstage with a floating Floyd guitar, it is 100% useless 'til you whip out the toolkit and change the string (not a fast process!). Worse than useless actually, because the other strings will have gone very sharp and sound awful playing with other instruments, whereas on a down-only vibrato bridge guitar the other 5 strings should stay pretty well in tune, at least enough for you to finish the song.

Other minor considerations are that when you do a double-stop bend with a floating bridge guitar, the non-bent string usually goes noticeably flat, and palm-muting or resting your hand on the bridge can cause a warped-record effect (of course, you can work on your techniques to avoid this, subtly bend the "non-bent string" up to pitch, etc.). Also, tuning a floating-bridge guitar involves making several passes through every string, as each time you tighten or slacken a string if affects all of the others. As I said, I don't have a Floyd guitar, but my Strats are set down only. You can still get some of the nice gentle chord quiver, albeit not as cool as with a floating bridge...but then, there's a trade-off to everything...plus, that's what Bigsbys are for! ;)

Meantime...go nuts with it! When the strings are properly stretched out, you should be able to dive-bomb until they are totally slack and come back up perfectly in tune! EVH does the pre-bend if he wants it to raise a note - slack the Floyd, hit a note, and bring it up to pitch. Have fun! :)
 
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2)If you break a string onstage with a floating Floyd guitar, it is 100% useless 'til you whip out the toolkit and change the string (not a fast process!). Worse than useless actually, because the other strings will have gone very sharp and sound awful playing with other instruments, whereas on a down-only vibrato bridge guitar the other 5 strings should stay pretty well in tune, at least enough for you to finish the song

I broke the A string on a floating Floyd guitar at a gig last weekend. For the songs we play, the A string is crucial and I would have been out to lunch with any guitar. That's why I bring (and used at that gig) a backup guitar.

For the record, that's the first A string I ever recall breaking in 20 years. :)
 
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Seems like with a non recessed Floyd, the only part that matters is using the bar and revelling in how in tune it is.
 
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You can turn your strings into spaghetti.
 
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Seems like with a non recessed Floyd, the only part that matters is using the bar amd revelling in how in tune it is.
I once took a Floyd off my guitar to replace the trem bar mount. When I put it back on and attached the springs, the guitar was still in tune.
 
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Not necessarily Floyd specific . . . but when I want to hear a vibrato used correctly I always end up listening to Jeff Beck.
 
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Actually you can for the first time, use the trem and not get the persistent low tension problem on G string like you do on Strats.

Here's a nice way to ruin any Strat's trem stability. Tune the guitar, play a couple of light riffs to check it intonates properly. Now do a sharp bend on the G string (no matter what fret - just stretch it), check you chord again and G goes out of tune. To correct this, just yank the bar down lightly and G goes back up. This problem happens because when you bend the string it shifts slightly in the saddle and only corrects itself when the trem is dived.

Locking saddles completely eliminate this, but Gotoh for example makes an 510T trem with FST block to correct this and avoid locking saddles. You can also deep drill a Strat block and adjust the neck angle and saddles, and hope the problem will go away.

This problem is very evident on any type of non-locking style trem that doesn't incorporate correct geometry to fight the problem. It's just a tension issue, if you tune the G string at least a whole step up (A), it will work flawlessly each and every time. But who wants that?
The problem was studied in-depth by John Suhr, he has tons of info on the subject. If you want to know more, just drop him an e-mail or search his posts over at HRI. John also says that locking saddle are more important than locking nuts, so a Floyd without a locking nut works better than without locking saddle. I can relate to that, a perfectly working Floyd will work and intonate properly even if locking nuts are loosened, in my experience.

You can see some players yanking the bar live whenever they are stressing the guitar enough that it might go out of tune.

No tuning method can compensate for this.
 
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Not if you installed a Tremol-no

Clarification: only if you have a Tremol-no installed and have it either locked or set to dive only. If you have a Tremol-no set to fully floating and break a string it's no different than NOT having a Tremol-no installed.
 
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