Solid State or Tube Head?

everdrone

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Just wondering, what is your opinion? Does the crowd notice? I mean guitar bands need great guitar tone, but they eat up the bassist's frequencies to a large extent. And its hard to mic a tube amp, and solid state is more convenient to go direct; though tube is not impossible to go direct or anything either, with separate signals.
 
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I suspect that the answer to this question is the same as a similar post from several months ago that asked whether audiences noticed differences in guitar tone.

Now, as then, the direct answer is that the average audience member does not perceive any difference from the gear. The indirect answer is that the audience will notice if the musician is getting pissed off at his or her tone and, consequently, is not playing well.






EDIT - For what it is worth, I use a solid state Class D head. The pre-amp stage of this digitally models a well-known American valve bass amp design.
 
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I personally see nothing wrong with using a solid state head if it meets your needs and you can dial in a good sound on it. One of the best local blues guys I ever heard was getting killer sounds out of a Mode 4 Marshall head for a while. Those 2nd Gen Marshall Valvestate heads were pretty decent as well.
 
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While I appreciate a good tube tone for a bass amp, I've owned only solid state amps my entire gigging career. Currently using Phil Jones Bass amps and thinks they sound better than anything else out there.
 
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While there may be merit to the argument that tube amplification has superior tone for guitar gear, I don't think that argument applies equally to bass amplification. The real issues with bass amplification are clarity, power, portability and the physics of sound amplification. The physics of bass amplification are different than guitar amplification and you need a lot more power for a bass signal to be audible. Yes we all know you can go direct or mic the amp, but on stage you need a certain amount of power to be heard over everything else.

Tube amplification weighs more than solid state on a wattage basis and the amount of power needed to make a bass signal audible at concert volumes means a bass tube amplifier would be much heavier than a guitar amp to produce the power needed to drive large diameter speakers and horns. So efficiency of signal amplification plays a much larger role in bass amplification than in guitar amplification. In most situations the bass and drums are the bread of the sonic sandwich and guitars, keyboards, vocals are the center. So bass amplification needs to cover frequency ranges at both the top, middle and bottom of the audio spectrum for it to be heard and tube amplification may not have the frequency range or the power needed to be able to cover that spectrum at a reasonable weight, complexity and power consumption.
 
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While there may be merit to the argument that tube amplification has superior tone for guitar gear, I don't think that argument applies equally to bass amplification. The real issues with bass amplification are clarity, power, portability and the physics of sound amplification. The physics of bass amplification are different than guitar amplification and you need a lot more power for a bass signal to be audible. Yes we all know you can go direct or mic the amp, but on stage you need a certain amount of power to be heard over everything else.

Tube amplification weighs more than solid state on a wattage basis and the amount of power needed to make a bass signal audible at concert volumes means a bass tube amplifier would be much heavier than a guitar amp to produce the power needed to drive large diameter speakers and horns. So efficiency of signal amplification plays a much larger role in bass amplification than in guitar amplification. In most situations the bass and drums are the bread of the sonic sandwich and guitars, keyboards, vocals are the center. So bass amplification needs to cover frequency ranges at both the top, middle and bottom of the audio spectrum for it to be heard and tube amplification may not have the frequency range or the power needed to be able to cover that spectrum at a reasonable weight, complexity and power consumption.

I agree with this wholeheartedly and I am not in the market to invest in the new Mesa Strategy, a 400 watt tube bass amp that weighs only 50 pounds ;)

But bass tube distortion is pretty awesome, was at the Wolfmother show this weekend and appreciated his dual 810 SVTs :headbang:
 
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I think power is most important. An average audience member won't know the bass is under powered, but they'll know something "isn't right" with the overall sound. When the bass and drums are in sync and well amplified it allows the singer and other musicians to do their thing.

From a gear head standpoint, I totally understand the SVT... Three friends use the SVT/Fridge setup and always sound awesome. :)
 
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The best bass distortion/drive tone I have ever gotten was through a Galien Krueger 2001rb and a Fulltone OCD. Figure that out.
 
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All the Bassist I know that play electric use SS or go direct. As for Tube vs SS the only people who care are players and it's all up to your ears.
 
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Red Fang may be a quagmire but the bassist uses a sunn beta bass which is only 100 watts of solid state and tehy sound huge in the mix, prolly cause the guitarists use sunn beta solid state too.
pretty much all use Sunn Beta’s. basist have a Sunn Beta bass and the two guitar players play Sunn Beta Leads and each running through 4×12′s, an
 
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Solid state. I can't imagine the nightmares of how many power tubes you'd need to buy to power a 400W bass head. I don't want any breakup either when it comes to bass; keep the sound clean.
 
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Red Fang may be a quagmire but the bassist uses a sunn beta bass which is only 100 watts of solid state and tehy sound huge in the mix, prolly cause the guitarists use sunn beta solid state too.
pretty much all use Sunn Beta’s. basist have a Sunn Beta bass and the two guitar players play Sunn Beta Leads and each running through 4×12′s, an

I was waiting for someone to bring up Sunn amps. I love mine, and they are impossible to kill. I know a while ago you could find any of their stuff at decent prices. However, they are becoming more and more collectable. Namely, because you can't kill one.
 
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Solid state. I can't imagine the nightmares of how many power tubes you'd need to buy to power a 400W bass head. I don't want any breakup either when it comes to bass; keep the sound clean.

300W SVT has 6 6550 power tubes. Not too much worse than a 100W Marahall.
 
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My main amp is a tube head, it is very heavy, but you can beat the warm tone, not that I am beating up solid state, but I've always found the tone to be to thin and lacking the power I need. Now I do like the weight

I have a Fender 300W all tube head, I think it's a copy of the old Sunn 300W all tube head, they just took off the Sunn badge for the Fender lol.

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Tubes are expensive, no doubt, but I think you pay for what you get, power

Now I used to own a Trace Elliot AH300 and 4 x 10 which was a hybrid sounded awesome and didn't weight nearly as much.
 
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I'm a huge fan of playing tube amps at least for guitar. But my bassist has used both before and I could never tell the difference. I'm assuming this is bass amp vs. bass amp we're talking about here...? And the way I see it even solid state bass amps put out like 400watts...I think...? Which should be plenty....but I'm no bassist lol.
 
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What about hybrid bass amp heads - tube preamp and SS power section? Would you still need as much power as an all-tube bass head?
 
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I'm a die-hard tube amp guy for electric guitar but for bass amps give me SS Gallien-Krueger amps 100% of the time.

The reasonable answer to this question is it depends on what your personal preference is but, IMO, it really depends on the style of music you play. With SS you get more clean headroom. Most bass players I know want the cleanest tone possible that can hit the hardest. As we know, tube amps have a breakup point which is amazing with an electric guitar but with a bass guitar it really becomes a pain in the butt if you are not looking for that to happen. When I was gigging and recording as a bassist it was always a Gallien-Krueger 1001 RB for me and it was one helluva amp.
 
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