Some info on Gibson P-100 pickups that might interest you

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blueman335 said:
Not necessarily. I play late 1960's classic rock & British blues, and I use C8's in SG's and 335's, & C5's in LP's. The added mids of an A8 is nice in a thin-bodied or semi-hollow guitar, and a bright PU's sound full in LP's. I'm trying to create the sounds of 40+ years ago, without the benefit of a Plexi stack, so I use PU's, magnets, and pots to get a sound similar to what they were doing. My tone standards haven't changed in all this time, I just go about getting it in a different way.
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I'm not using you or anyone on here as an example. Take another crack at reading my post.
 
Re: Some info on Gibson P-100 pickups that might interest you

I'm sure there is a time and a place for P-100's. Just what time that is, I don't know, and the place is NOT in any of my guitars.

As P-90's go, it just isn't.

I have heard of one story of some fairly intense rewiring that made them pretty cool. But it sounded like it was pretty risky and not worth the effort.

So if you dig them - great. But I'll assume that you probably like the smell of a freshly pinched loaf and and a glass of piss for breakfast too.

I rarely say something has no redeeming qualities whatsoever, but they come pretty darn close. And where do you guys get all of these noisey P-90's. My Duncans are pretty freaking quite as hum goes.
 
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Hey I have a pair that I intend to modify with the coil cut and and L-pad on one or both coils in order to get 'real' P-90 tones without too much output. Mine are wound to 6k and 9 k, which means 12k and 18k on the individual coils. That's just too hot. Now they may still sound like poop, but if nothing else I'll practice rewinding on them.
 
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Gingrel said:
Can you please explain to me how that works??
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Two coils wired in parallel will give a DC resistance figure one quarter of those same two coils wired in series.

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I would like to say to dr. ad that I have understood your point. (In summary, P100s are not meant to sound exactly like P90s, they just happen to be of the same overall dimensions.) Unfortunately, some of the opinions that the majority of people hold about guitars are based on how they look. If, for the sake of argument, Gibson had built the P100 to resemble the stacked-coil, low impedance pickups of the LP Recording/Personal/Professional, how many units would have been sold? Not many, I suspect.

Seymour Duncan STKP-1n and b pickups ARE supposed to sound like P90s. IMO, they do not. They lack the "wiry" quality in the high register and the low frequency emphasis is in slightly the wrong band.

If I had to sum up the P90 sound in one word, I would borrow a song title from the Scissor Sisters - Filthygorgeous.
 
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Funkfingers said:
Two coils wired in parallel will give a DC resistance figure one quarter of those same two coils wired in series.

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Ok, I assumed he meant they were wired in series hence my confusion.

EDIT: Are you sure that is correct? The formula for resistors in parallel that I learned as part of my physics A-level doesn't seem to fit that. I just sat down with a pen and paper and tried to derive a solution but couldn't.

(The formula I'm referencing is 1/R_T = 1/R_1 + 1/R_2 where R_T is the total resistance and R_1 and R_2 are the resistances of the two resistors in parallel)
 
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Try it again: 1/12k + 1/12k = 1/6k and 1/18k + 1/18k = 1/9k. Hence, 6k N and 9k B. You no doubt thought I meant the coils were mismatched, but that would not cancel the hum properly. If in series, they'd be 24k and 36k respectively.
 
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Natman said:
Try it again: 1/12k + 1/12k = 1/6k and 1/18k + 1/18k = 1/9k. Hence, 6k N and 9k B. You no doubt thought I meant the coils were mismatched, but that would not cancel the hum properly. If in series, they'd be 24k and 36k respectively.
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Right, if R_1 and R_2 are equal it works. Fair enough.
 
Re: Some info on Gibson P-100 pickups that might interest you

I just read an interesting thing on Lace Sensor's pickup guide. They have a hum cancelling P-90 (PS-900/905) which has side by side coils that they say sounds 100% like a true P-90 but with zero noise. At 3:30 it starts but it is the Holy Grail series but the Holy Grail and PS-900/905 have the same construction. It would be something worth looking into. I know I'm interested in them. P-90 with no hum that sounds like a P-90? Sounds too good to be true honestly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHEw_bCaQ0c
 
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Erm, I am just wondering why a P90 type PU built the Lace Sensor way requires two coils at all?

One experiment that might be worth trying on P90 Stacks is to feed the lower coil through a Spin-a-split type coil tap. Blend in enough lower coil to reduce hum but not enough to mess with the tone of the upper coil.
 
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Back on topic boys: P100's suck.
 
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re the lace sensor thing, i believe convoys posted some pics of how they have 1 triangular coil on each side of the poles, offset to each other.

i wonder how a stacked p90/p100 would sound with the poles only penetrating 1 coil and not the other (apologies if this is the existing design); this would be similar to the bluesbucker in a sense, but about twice as hot unfortunately. the design of the bluesbucker is not unlike taking all the poles out of 1 coil on a screamin demon... which reminds me...

funkfingers, thanks, and interesting point on the baseplate btw
 
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ACH91332 said:
I just read an interesting thing on Lace Sensor's pickup guide. They have a hum cancelling P-90 (PS-900/905) which has side by side coils that they say sounds 100% like a true P-90 but with zero noise. At 3:30 it starts but it is the Holy Grail series but the Holy Grail and PS-900/905 have the same construction. It would be something worth looking into. I know I'm interested in them. P-90 with no hum that sounds like a P-90? Sounds too good to be true honestly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHEw_bCaQ0c
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The tone of the Holy Grail set was very SC-like... even though it was on the thin side and #2 and #4 positions had no great quack, but what I couldn't live with was the complete lack of dynamics. I've found this set completely unusable live, but it wasn't half bad in the studio.

Bottom line: I got REAL SC p'ups and shielded well the instrument. End of all problems!

HTH,
 
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"P-100 is not a single coil pickup at all, in fact it is a “stacked humbucker,” designed to look like a standard P-90. The P-100 pickup was designed to be the same size as a P-90, and to fit in the same cover as a P-90, but it is a humbucking pickup and not a single coil pickup like a P-90."

Fender-philes have known this forever. Can you say "Vintage Toneless"?
 
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blueman335 said:
I don't know why anyone would put an HB, stacked or side-by-side, in a P-90 slot.
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Because some of us (like myself) love Les Paul Jrs/Slabs of mahogany, but find P90s/not very optimal or even impractical for the style of music we play most of the time. I like P90s (I grew up playing on a ES125 with a late 50s P90), but they are a "diversion" for me, not something I'd want to use all the time.

All that said, I'd have no issue routing a Jr out for a full size bucker, and someday plan to do just that :D
 
Re: Some info on Gibson P-100 pickups that might interest you

You can mount humbucker bobbins and magnet on a soapbar or dogear baseplate. No need to rout.
 
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