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JamesPaul
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I'm confident the Custom Shop would do it as a Seymourized rewind.
Is this the lengths one has to go to for double cream Duncan's these days?
Gone are the days of Shop Floor Custom double cream under covers then remove the covers. Can the Custom Shop still do this? If not there is the buy a Zebra JB and a Reverse Zebra JB then make your own. Are there other options? I'm curious.
Is this the lengths one has to go to for double cream Duncan's these days?
Gone are the days of Shop Floor Custom double cream under covers then remove the covers. Can the Custom Shop still do this? If not there is the buy a Zebra JB and a Reverse Zebra JB then make your own. Are there other options? I'm curious.
I doubt it, but ask.
I don't think there are any options, but you can always ask.
JamesPaul
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My Custom/Jazz set is from the era when they could still be done as covered Shop Floor Customs. I just had to take the covers off.
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But this is no longer an option.
If whoever asked ICTGoober has a DiMarzio they aren't using, I can't imagine why the Custom Shop wouldn't rewind it as a JB.
We all know it will sound better after a Seymourized rewind!!! ...I kid...I kid...
JamesPaul
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Technically the only DiMarzio's I've ever purchased came in guitars.
There was an Evolution in the bridge of my mutt '81 Lead II before MJ wound me an X-1 replacement.
And there's a Super D in the bridge and I can't remember the neck in my Destroyer RI I got from Jeff B .
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eclecticsynergy
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I think the Custom Shop will rewind any pickup you send.
They discount if rewinding a Duncan, but beyond that I don't think it makes a difference.
Trademark restrictions don't apply to repairs. Car dealers can service any brand regardless of whether they can sell them new.
They discount if rewinding a Duncan, but beyond that I don't think it makes a difference.
Trademark restrictions don't apply to repairs. Car dealers can service any brand regardless of whether they can sell them new.
JamesPaul
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SD used to be able to do these as a Shop Floor Custom, but the pickup still had to have a cover on it. If you took the cover off, then you had double cream. This is no longer an option. If you check the SFC page:
2. Bobbin color. For standard-spaced humbuckers only. You can choose from any combination (except Double Crème) or single color from the following: Black, White, Crème, Red, Dark Blue, Light Blue, Pink, Yellow, Green.
The question is whether the Custom Shop can do double cream under a cover? As Mincer noted, we need to call the CS and ask.
Again, you can always buy a Zebra and a Reverse Zebra and make your own double cream.
Getting back to the OP, I still see no reason the Custom Shop would not rewind a double cream DiMarzio as a JB.
At least rewind it to JB specs as much as possible. It would still have the DiMarzio baseplate, spacers and bobbins. Maybe for some extra $$$ they can perform an exorcism to keep the DiMarzio components from ruining the JB's tone. Again...I kid...i kid...
But isn't "single color: creme" pretty much the same, semantics aside?
JamesPaul
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I think the DiMarzio trademark is specifically two (i.e. a humbucker) creme bobbins.
ICTGoober
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Just my opinion, but the mental midget at the Patent Office who approved this should have been shot. Larry DiMarzio could NOT have seriously described how two coils the same color could be significantly different than coils of differing colors to someone with functioning gray matter? Maybe he just bribed the guy?
Of course, I remember reading that there were 17 patents assigned to humbucking pickups after Seth Lover submitted his. How did that happen?
You really have to wonder what the hell the qualifications are to get a patent clerk job, or how to become the person who determines those qualifications......
CaptainWhizz
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Double cream bobbins are a trademark, not a patent.
I think we can talk about whether they would do such a rewind (and 'rewind' it to sound like a completely different pickup by a different company) but in the end, until you contact them and ask, we can just speculate. I know they won't but the double cream under a cover anymore, and they haven't for some time. But I don't know how close you can come to pushing this idea with them. In the end, it is easier just to hybridize 2 pickups and do it yourself if you really want to do it.
ICTGoober
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Not sure about that.... At one time patents could be secured for 17 years, renewable one time for another 17 years. This is what happens with drugs all the time. When the patent runs out.... Everyone gets on the bandwagon with a generic drug. In the case of freon, DuPont made sure R-12 became "obsolete" after 34 years, meaning R-22 "miraculously" came along just in time to save DuPont's bacon.
CaptainWhizz
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However, if a trademark can be seen to have been degraded when challenged, it should be ended.
If, for example, people made a load of double-cream Seymour Duncans using zebra and reverse-zebra humbuckers, and worked the YouTube and Google algorithms so that searches for “double cream humbuckers” showed Seymour Duncan double-cream ‘buckers as the top few pages’-worth of results, then the situation might have to be looked at.
Or, more easily, if people raised the awareness of non-Dimarzio double-cream pickups in the United States, the same thing could occur.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
If, for example, people made a load of double-cream Seymour Duncans using zebra and reverse-zebra humbuckers, and worked the YouTube and Google algorithms so that searches for “double cream humbuckers” showed Seymour Duncan double-cream ‘buckers as the top few pages’-worth of results, then the situation might have to be looked at.
Or, more easily, if people raised the awareness of non-Dimarzio double-cream pickups in the United States, the same thing could occur.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
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I can't for the life of me, imagine why anyone would want to pay the price for the custom shop to do a JB wind. Or why anyone would want to pay for two JB's just to get one. Or even why anyone would want to pay for just one JB. There are sooo many other much better sounding pups available.
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