Someone explain mixing speakers in cabinets

jerryjg

PinkElephantologist
I know you have to make the total load equal the amount of ohms your amp is puting out, but what about different sensitivitys and power ratings on the speakers? Will some speakers get more juice than others if you mix different sensitivity and/or wattage ratings in the same cabinet, or does the amp just send an equal amount of power to all speakers-seeing it as one load? I s it safe to use speakers in the same general power rating(25/30 watts fpor instance) together? 75/150? What about the sensitivity deal? How close should ya get on that?
 
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lots of different possibilitys and factors going on. mixing two speakers can be cool cause in a good pairing if one is robust and clean the other is bright and crunchy you end up with a bright robust crunchy clean tone. some pairings work better than others and with some amps better than others.

you want to match the load of each speaker so i wouldnt recomend mixing an 8 ohm and a 16 ohm speaker, you can but then you get into things like the amp not seeing the correct impedance and one speaker getting more power than the other one. mixing two 16 ohm speakers in parallel with one 8 ohm can be cool since the 8 ohm will get about 50% of the power and the two 16 ohms get about 25% of the total power and you end up with a 4 ohm load.

as far as wattage it can be cool to mix higher and lower wattage speakers but the power from the amp gets split evenly so if you have a 100w amp that you use turned up pretty loud you dont want to use a 30w speaker unless you like buying alot of them. two speakers sharing X watts means that each speaker should be able to handle X/2 watts at a minimum unless you are planning on keeping the amp low.you could comfortably mix a 60w and a 150w speaker with no issues. you could use two 50w speakers but youd have to be careful at higher volumes since a 100w tube amp can put out more than 100w.

mixing efficiencies is fine but understand that the speaker with 100 db sensitivity will overshadow the one with 97 db. this isnt always a bad thing youll just hear more of the louder speaker. if you mix two 97 db speakers then youll get fairly equal balance of characteristics in theory.
 
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I know you have to make the total load equal the amount of ohms your amp is puting out

Ohms is a measurement of impedance (resistance), not output. Yes, ideally, the output should match the impedance setting of the amp if it is a tube amp. On a SS amp, the impedance needs to be more than the minimum rated impedance of the amp.

As far as the speakers in the cabinet, they should all be the same impedance (ohms), the power will be split equally to all the speakers then, irregardless of power rating or sensitivity. So, 100W into 4 speakers of equal impedance will be 25W per speaker.

Sensitivity is a measure of efficiency, the number is the dB reading at 1' (or is it 1meter?) with a 1W (IIRC) signal into the speaker. In the end what you need to know is, the higher the number, the louder the speaker will be. So, i you mix some really inefficient speakers in your cabinet with some very efficient ones, you will hear more from the efficient speakers. Doesn't mean you can't close mic the inefficient ones though. Don't sweat the little stuff though, 5 - 10 dB difference in the efficiency ratings won't really be noticeable. Lots of cabs mix G12T-75s with V30s and the V30s are rated at higher sensitivity than the G12Ts. The frequency response of the speaker will also affect the perceived loudness of the speaker to the player/listener also.

As far as power ratings, people get bent out of shape on this alot too. You probably want the lowest rated speaker to be able to minimally handle its share of the load (remember 100W into 4 equal impedance speakers is 25W per speaker). But, unless you run your amp on 10, it's not putting out it's full power, but also remember that a 100W tube amp is probably peaking at around 160W or so if it is on 10. That said, lots of great recordings have been made running a cranked Superlead into a 4-12 cabinet with 4 25W Greenbacks. Yes, technically the speakers should have blown, and one may have occasionally, but they are usually tougher than people give them credit for. But for those of us that don't have a cache of speakers laying around, it's probably better safe than sorry. For example, you can get an Eminence Legend GB12 which is a 50W (or better, don't remember exactly) Greenback clone, so you can get close to the GB sound with more headroom.

*EDIT*Jeremy was apparently typing at the same time I was. I forgot add, when you are wiring speakers, you need to know the difference between series and parallel and how they affect impedance. Most 4-12s are wired in a series/parallel arrangement, so if you use 4 16 ohm speakers you get a total impedance of 16 ohms because of the way they are hooked up. There are some websites out there that explain this well with a little searching.

Hope this helps,
Roger
 
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Very interesting.

does anyone know where I can find the sensitivity ratings for speakers? I have a EVM 12L and a V30 in the same cab. does anyone knwo how these two comapre as far as sensitivity goes?
 
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:wrf:

Work for my own info?


Fine, off into cyberspace I go! :flush:
 
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From each company's respective web site:

EVM-12L Classic: “World’s Greatest Guitar Loudspeaker”

· 200W Power handling
· Frequency response: 80Hz – 7kHz (at -10 dB down)
· Heavy-duty cast frame reduces the low-frequency flex inherent in stamped frame designs.
· Large 16lbs (7.3kg) magnet allows for higher efficiency, better cooling and maximum output



V30
General specifications
Nominal diameter 12", 305mm
Power Rating 60W
Nominal impedance 8Ω and 16Ω
Sensitivity 100dB
Chassis type Pressed steel
Voice coil diameter 1.75", 44.5mm
Voice coil material Round copper
Magnet type Ceramic
Magnet weight 50oz, 1.42kg
Frequency range 70-5000Hz
Resonance frequency, Fs 75Hz
DC resistance, Re 7.3Ω & 12.9Ω
Mounting Information
Diameter 12.2", 309mm
Overall depth 5.3", 135mm
Magnet structure diameter 6.1", 156mm
Cut-out diameter 11.1", 283mm
Mounting slot dimensions 0.31", 7.9mm Ø
Number of mounting slots 4
Mounting slot PCD 11.7", 297mm
Unit weight 10.4lb, 4.7kg


unfortunately, EV doesn't disclose the sensitivity of the 12L.
 
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The people at Eminence recommend that the sensitivity of mismatched speakers fall within a difference of 3.
 
Re: Someone explain mixing speakers in cabinets

unfortunately, EV doesn't disclose the sensitivity of the 12L.


If memory serves me, I think the old EVM-12L was rated at 102 db/watt and 200 watts but maybe that's an old JBL I'm thinking about. The Zakk Wylde EVM-12L is rated at 100 db/watt and 300 watts power handling! :omg:
 
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