Speaker Size

theAeronought

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Question: What does the speaker size and/or number of speakers matter? If you have one head of a certain, unspecified wattage, what would be the difference in the sound if I put the head on a 112, 212, or 410 cabinet (seperately, not all three together).

My case is that I want to buy a Fender Hot Rod. You know, months, possibly years down the road when I have the money. I think I want something with more power than the Junior models, so I'm just looking at the Deluxe and the DeVille. Now I know that these amps have different wattages (Deluxe 40W, DeVille 60W), but I'm not as concerned with that right now, I'm just curious about the speakers. The Deluxe has one 12" speaker, but the Deville comes in a 212 and a 410 variety. So assuming hypothetically that the DeVille has a bias switch that can set it back to 40W with the Deluxe, how will they sound different?

Then, as a synthesis question, say I got a Deluxe 112 and put it on top of a 410 cabinet, just 'cus it looked cool that way. What would that sound like?

I realize I really need to go to Guitar Center and try them out myself, but I'd feel bad about going in there and trying out there stuff hardcore (I almost always play with a fuzz pedal on, so I'd have to bring that with to get an accurate feel for the sound), and then leaving without buying anything - I'll wait until I have the money and I can buy what I play with.
 
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you cant dial a deville back to a deluxe without changing components. the preamps are similar but the power sections are different.

1x12 sounds different than 2x12 or 4x12 or 2x10 or 4x10. open back and closed back sound different as well. there is a huge variety of 12" guitar speakers out there covering a wide range of different tones.

comparing a 1x12 hrdeluxe to a 2x12 hrdeluxe, the 2x12 would sound bigger with more bottom
 
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I use to have a Hot Rod Deville 2x12 and currently own a Blues Jr. and Hot Rod Deluxe, both 1x12s and 18 watts and 40 watts respectively.

The DeVille is a very loud and powerful amp! I found it to be just way too much for my needs. The Hot Rod Deluxe works very well for medium to large size gigs, and at times is a little too much for my needs. The Blues Jr. is perfect for my apartment. To me, I've found that 1x12 is my preference for a combo amp.

I would suggest trying out different combos to see what you prefer. And size does not equal power, the Gallien Krueger 25ML houses 6.5" speakers but punches 100 Watts and can power a 4x12 if need be ;)
 
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Focus and optimal listening distance changes as well, going by what I found working at a small venue in Leicester Square at least.
 
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I know I can't dial back a Deville to 40W - that's why it was a hypothetical situation. Good to know that about the DeVille, though - which one did you have, the 212 or the 410? Also good to know about the Gallien Krueger. I don't think I want as much as a hundred watts, but I should check out some of their other things.

I figured I'd want to stick with a 1x12. I've got a 25W bass amp that's got a 12" speaker and it's more than enough for my little house. I'm still curious about the effects of four 10" speakers versus one or two 12" speakers. Obviously twelve-inchers deliver a bigger sound, but would a greater quantity of ten-inchers give you a stronger high end with a similar all around output?

Thanks for your input, Davii. Do bigger speakers let the sound travel farther?


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theAeronought said:
Good to know that about the DeVille, though - which one did you have, the 212 or the 410?
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I had the 2x12 version...was super heavy and rattled all of the windows in my house lol I had traded a Highway 1 Strat for that amp, ended up trading it back to the dude. lol

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Also good to know about the Gallien Krueger. I don't think I want as much as a hundred watts, but I should check out some of their other things.
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That lil Gallien Krueger is a tone monster! I believe Iron Maiden used the 250 ML for a while. It had the best distortion sound (distortion as apposed to overdrive) out of any amp I've ever used. Shocked people's word how much power was in the little "lunch box" lol

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I figured I'd want to stick with a 1x12. I've got a 25W bass amp that's got a 12" speaker and it's more than enough for my little house. I'm still curious about the effects of four 10" speakers versus one or two 12" speakers. Obviously twelve-inchers deliver a bigger sound, but would a greater quantity of ten-inchers give you a stronger high end with a similar all around output?
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I've only used 4x12 cabs, but here is a thread about 4x10 vs 4x12.
 
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From what is admittedly limited knowledge on the subject, my understanding of it is larger diameter speakers are better at reproducing lower frequencies. What the number of speakers of a particular size equates to I couldn't say. The venue I mentioned had Marshall 4x12s (no idea what type they were loaded with), which seemed to focus a lot further out than 1x12s/2x12s. The latter were more workable the bigger the crowd, especially on stage where they could be raised up more easily. That's just speaking on that venue mind you, and I'm no expert on the subject for sure!

I used to have a HR Deluxe. Best clean sound I've ever had, and easy to transport.
 
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Looks like hardly anybody likes the 4x10s vs the 4x12s. That's alright, I actually have two cheapie 12" speakers from an old surround sound set that I think I'll put in a big open back enclosure.
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I've never met anyone who was a fan of the 4x10...I've never played one either.

Line 6 PODS among other processors offer cab simulations and I always preferred the 1x8, 1x12, and 4x12 settings on it...but that is really not a good way to judge an actual combo amp.
 
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A friend had one, but I can't for the life of me remember what it sounded like in rehearsals!
 
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the classic narrow panel tweed bassman was 4x10 open back combo. once bassmans moved to blonde they went to a head/cab with 12" speakers. very different sounding amps. the earlier wide panel and tv front bassmans were 1x15

4x10's can be a great sound but many people compare an open back 4x10 combo to a closed back 4x12 combo and assume the reason they like it better is the 12" speakers when it might be the closed back vs open back.
 
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2x12 Combos are heavy as **** and a pain to move around. 1x12 is much preferable. The HRD is a great amp for most gigging situations. I used one for a few years before switching to a Mesa DC-5 (which was also heavy as **** despite being a 1x12).

I'm currently using a Super Sonic Twin (100 watt, 2x12), and if I'm not playing my pedal steel, it's over kill for every gig I play. I'll be getting a new 20 watt, 1x12 combo very soon.
 
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I'm still curious about the effects of four 10" speakers versus one or two 12" speakers. Obviously twelve-inchers deliver a bigger sound, but would a greater quantity of ten-inchers give you a stronger high end with a similar all around output?
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With 10" speakers the cone can respond faster because of the lower mass. This quicker response helps keep the low end tighter and less flabby. 10" speakers do have less low end though, but many bass cabs are 4x10 because they don't fart out the lowest frequencies by substituting the 5th harmonic for the fundamental note.

The Super Reverb and the Tweed Bassman are good examples of 4x10s used for guitar.

10" speakers are usually less efficient than a corresponding 12". Speaker efficiency is usually more important than the wattage rating to how loud an amp is. One advantage of less efficient speakers is that one can push the amp a little harder before things get too loud.
 
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Matt42 said:
2x12 Combos are heavy as **** and a pain to move around. 1x12 is much preferable. The HRD is a great amp for most gigging situations. I used one for a few years before switching to a Mesa DC-5 (which was also heavy as **** despite being a 1x12).

I'm currently using a Super Sonic Twin (100 watt, 2x12), and if I'm not playing my pedal steel, it's over kill for every gig I play. I'll be getting a new 20 watt, 1x12 combo very soon.
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Dude, the DC-5 is one of the best sounding amps I've ever used! Totally under rated/valued/exposed amp! I miss mine but my Hot Rod Deluxe and Blues Jr. fit my playing style better.

And 2x12s are back breakers, even 1x12s like the DC-5 and HRD are as well!

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Good stuff! So do you think one 112 combo amp will do the trick at a gig?


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Depends on the gig ;) Location and acoustics are a huge factor as well as how good (or bad) the venue is setup stage wise.

I've used a 1x12 Combo in all my gigs in the last year or so.

Also depends on your tone–I would start by getting your tone and then translating that to the venue at hand. Most people listening though won't care if you are using a 1x12 or a 4x12 or a processor for that matter.
 
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