Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

[uOpt]

Time for some overthinking...

I have an empty early 1980ties 1960 slanted cabinet. For a 1979 2204 JMP 50-watts hamster volume 2-input.

I have 2x 8 ohm EV12L.

Sound-wise, I like G12-65s. I'm not going to buy new Celestions, at least not before trying clones.

So, for clones for G12-65s I have these choices:

• Emminence tonespotter $80
• WGS (warhouse guitar speakers) 12" ET65 $60 (made in U.S.)
• Weber 1265 $105

I would normally be crazy enough to get one of each, test them, then get more of the winner but projects pile up too high. So I think I'm gonna take a pick and get two of whatever comes and combine them with the EVs and then go from what I hear there.

I hear enough good stuff about the WGS speakers that I could just pounce on them.

Questions:

1) Is there anybody who thinks that the Weber or Emminence would be the better choice?

2) What impedance would I get for this? I think 8 ohms for 8 ohms total out of the 4x12, no?

 

[The Golden Boy]

Re: Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

I have an empty early 1980ties 1960 slanted cabinet. For a 1979 2204 JMP 50-watts hamster volume 2-input.


2) What impedance would I get for this? I think 8 ohms for 8 ohms total out of the 4x12, no?

You want to get speakers that'll keep up with a 50w Hamster Volume amp?

If you want it like it would have been a cab that came with that head it would be a 16 ohm cab with 16 ohm speakers wired in series parallel.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

If you have 2 8 ohm EV's then the other 2 speakers need to be 8 ohms as well..a set of 4 8 ohm speakers can be wired for 8 ohms.

As for the choices...those WGS speakers just do not impress me, none of them. I've heard some of the sond alright, not amazing but alright but I;ve also seen a guy go though over a half dozen to get one out of the box that didn't have a voice coil rub and or cone cry...no thanks!

The new Eminence speakers are alright but if it were me I'd go with a Weber any day over an Eminence.

 

[uOpt]

Re: Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

Hmmm, doesn't make it much easier, does it? I have the CD with the different speaker recordings, but the WGS is missing from it.

My impedance question was more focused on: do I get any advantage out of making a 16 ohms cabinet? Does the head care at all? It has the switches but I think the output transformer is partially out of the picture at certain loads, right?

 

[uOpt]

Re: Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

I finally got around to listen to them on the CD. The Emminence is right out, by a mile. Sounds more like a V30 to me . The Weber is kinda allrightish but doesn't have the G12-65's drive.

There's no recording for the WGS. So I can jump into the deep end and try them or start hunting for used Celestions.

Dangit.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

I finally got around to listen to them on the CD. The Emminence is right out, by a mile. Sounds more like a V30 to me . The Weber is kinda allrightish but doesn't have the G12-65's drive.

There's no recording for the WGS. So I can jump into the deep end and try them or start hunting for used Celestions.

Dangit.

What are you saying about the "drive"? Also, what are you comparing to??

 

[uOpt]

Re: Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

This CD:
http://www.gtraudio.com/products.html

Has the Celestion, the Emminence and the Tonespotter.

The Celestion has a very focused mid-drive, almost a roar. The Emminence is outright fizzy, the Tonespotter more even and clear.

 

[ACH91332]

Re: Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

I'm getting the ET65 but I also have never played a GT-65. I just know that it is the type of speaker I need because I'm sick of the lacking mids in the G12T-75. I like everything else but the scoop so I'm going to get some ET65s when I can finance it.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

This CD:
http://www.gtraudio.com/products.html

Has the Celestion, the Emminence and the Tonespotter.

The Celestion has a very focused mid-drive, almost a roar. The Emminence is outright fizzy, the Tonespotter more even and clear.

But where did you hear the Weber and what did you compare to??

 

[uOpt]

Re: Speakers for 4x12" 1960 slanted, G12-65 clones

The CD has the weber 1265, the celestion g12-65 heritage and the tonespotter. I think I mixed up the designations above.

I first compared all celestions to each other, picking the G12-65 as clear winner (to be expected, I liked it before) and then I listened to the G12-65 and the two which are supposedly clones.