Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

  • Dual Weber 12F150's

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Eminence: one Texas Heat, one Red White & Blues

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Celestion silver series 12"s

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • Celestion 70/80 12"s

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Celestion Greenback 12"s

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other Weber combo

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Other Eminence combo

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • Other Celestion combo

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10

Robert Delahunt

Showmasterologist
All,

I hate to re-post, but my preferences and research have taken me to different speakers.

Anyways, I have a '72 Fender Twin Reverb, silver face. One of my speakers broke on me (they're probably very old): it had Celestion Modern Lead 12's in it. Anyways, I need speakers that are $50-$100 each, making this choice $200 max. So far I've narrowed it down to the choices in the poll. Please feel free to respond, vote, etc.

What tone I want: I play practically everything (christian music tends to "cover" a lot of genres without really being the best at any of them), and have a multieffects board that I use. I prefer a clean tone, and the only time I don't is when I want to simulate a very natural overdrive. My silverface TR has master volume and two channel volumes, so I can do this using channel volume = 10 and then master volume set for loudness, but like I said, I rarely do that: I have pedals.

I play in church, christian music, and it varies from ultra-clean to classic rock, even hard rock. However, I would like to have enough versatility to play metal if necessary (but using pedals, obviously). So I'd basically prefer my Twin sound like a Twin: the clean tone has got to sound sexy-clean.

I use Seymour Duncan pickups exclusively due to my guitars. I own one ESP with the Hot Rodded combo (agathis body wood) and a Lite Ash Strat with an Alnico II Pro Staggered set.

Things that attracted me to the above combinations: for Eminence, it was their rating on Musicians Friend, coupled with the fact that they do not sound "british", they're approximately the same output, and their attributes seem to balance each other out. I would've picked speakers that claimed to be good for "all genres" but they're out of my price range. Weber, I hear good about them, but their 25% restocking fee bothers me, but Ted Weber himself suggested the 12F150's. As for celestion, I hear good about Greenbacks, and those are the top three rated speakers in Musicians Friend.
 
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i still suggest two Texas Heat, but the TH+RWB combo would be fine too. They sound great, and have a great price. Theres nothing else i can tell you, since you seem unable to make up your mind about this. These speakers are a great match, and im using them in the same amp as you. You're probably gonna be mulling over this for a long time if you keep reading and reading about speakers, because theres probably alot of reviews, good and bad, about every speaker ever made. At some point, you just have to bite the bullet. To me, the best choice is the eminence option. They sound great for not alot of money.
 
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i still suggest two Texas Heat, but the TH+RWB combo would be fine too. They sound great, and have a great price. Theres nothing else i can tell you, since you seem unable to make up your mind about this. These speakers are a great match, and im using them in the same amp as you. You're probably gonna be mulling over this for a long time if you keep reading and reading about speakers, because theres probably alot of reviews, good and bad, about every speaker ever made. At some point, you just have to bite the bullet. To me, the best choice is the eminence option. They sound great for not alot of money.

Yeah, the most I can make up my mind about is the Eminence TH+RWB idea. I'm so lost when it comes to speakers, and to be honest, if they still made "Modern Lead" Celestions, I'd've just bought another set, since I have no clue what I'm doing, but I know that I like how it sounds right now (minus the broken speaker :(). I really want to do the Ted Weber thing because he was very polite and helpful back and forth for about 20 emails of me asking questions.

This is just such a big decision though. I mean, I'm lucky to have this amp in the first place, as it's way out of my ballpark, but it is so cool.

Thanks, everyone, for being patient and responding to my threads on this subject, as I'm sort of OCD-ing on this decision lol.
 
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The Greenbacks are nice if you like quick breakup, and the 25 watt handling will ensure you will be going back for more...been there, done that with a Twin. It gets expensive. The best thing for what you want may be something like the original compliment; a C12N style speaker. Like the Weber 12F150 or some of the Emi models...or an EV type if you want super clean and big.
 
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Dude...I suggested you a set of Jensens, 2 sets of Webers and a some Eminence speakers...all of them were less than $100 each. so I stand by my suggestions...
 
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Out of curosity, how in the world did you land on a pair of Greenbacks???

If you put a pair of Greenbacks (which don't sound very good in a SF Fender BTW) in yout Twin please time for me how long you get to play it before you blow them up:smack: :laugh2:
 
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Out of curosity, how in the world did you land on a pair of Greenbacks???

If you put a pair of Greenbacks (which don't sound very good in a SF Fender BTW) in yout Twin please time for me how long you get to play it before you blow them up:smack: :laugh2:

My apologies, I just had a change of heart on the speakers, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or annoying.

I only put the Greenbacks on the list of choices because I've heard some people are in love with 'em. Me, I have no clue about them, much, only that I've heard some people love 'em.

As for right now, everyone, I'm thinking Celestion G12T-75. I did the Celestion tone selector thing and listened to all the clips, and the jazz clip of this speaker, coupled with almost all other clips being very warm, really sold me. Most the clips aren't a very good indicator of what I want though, in general, because I want to really hear multiple strings, low and high, in a jazz-clean sort of method. Someof the other clips, blues especially, are annoying because they're running a bright distortion which doesn't sound very good to my ears.

As for Weber speakers, they have clips, yes. Eminence, oddly, has none, which is sort of disappointing.

Thanks, everyone, for your advice, and please keep sending it my way :D

EDIT: NEVERMIND, HOLD THE PRESSES! I forgot about the Weber clips of the 12F150 and I'm SOLD :D
 
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Call the fellas at Avatar. They give great advice on the Eminence speakers, IMO. They're also selling for the right price. I've heard great things about the Webers as well.

The fact is, you're gonna have to make a choice and go with it; speaker choice is a highly personal choice. IMO, if you want super clean stuff but go dirty sometimes (not sure about all the way to metal), I like the Emi Tonkers, which I believe are a Fane copy and are rated at 150 watts each, you'd have to work to blow these. I just got a set of Swamp Thangs (also 150 watts each IIRC) from Drew_Half_Empty and they sound excellent so far as well. I'm using both sets with a BF Bandmaster, so I can tell ya they've got the Fender tone covered. Good luck.

EDIT: Just saw your post on the g12T-75's. I use these in Marshall cabs and I very much dislike them for cleans. They sound okay for metal, but cleans? Also, make sure that when you're looking at speakers you're getting enough wattage (not that the 75's won't do, but TGWIF is right about the Greenbacks). Just tell me this...do you want a Fender tone or something different? Maybe we can start from there.
 
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Brother, all I am trying to tell you is this...Greenbacks are rated for 25 watts each, thats 50 total, your Twin is 85 watts...do the math, that makes for short life. As for G12-75T's those speakers have a very weak midrange which works ok for some people in their Marshall (which has a lot of mids...SF Fenders on the other hand have very little in the midrange anyway, putting G12-75T's in a Twin Reveb would just a bad idea IMO...if oyu HAVE to have Celestions get a pair of Classic Leads and be done with it, however I still think that the Weber Chicagos or Jensen C12K's woudl be a far better choice...
 
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Webers all the way dude. I am not very experienced with all their speakers, but I would imagine any of them from the high powered range would be great. O yea, Christian recomended the Chicagos, so I would probably go with them ;-) If you want your "twin to sound like a twin" go with those...
 
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Brother, all I am trying to tell you is this...Greenbacks are rated for 25 watts each, thats 50 total, your Twin is 85 watts...do the math, that makes for short life. As for G12-75T's those speakers have a very weak midrange which works ok for some people in their Marshall (which has a lot of mids...SF Fenders on the other hand have very little in the midrange anyway, putting G12-75T's in a Twin Reveb would just a bad idea IMO...if oyu HAVE to have Celestions get a pair of Classic Leads and be done with it, however I still think that the Weber Chicagos or Jensen C12K's woudl be a far better choice...

Well supposedly a '72 (according to the internet :smack: ) is rated 100 Watts and came with Oxfords. But thanks! I didn't know G12T-75's had weak mid-range. Classic Leads are outside my price range (sorry, should've probably mentioned that: $100 / speaker, $200 total). Jensen C12K's are also outside my price range as well, sadly, and their rating on Musician's Friend isn't so good. Part of the aggrivation right now is that I can't search for all replacement speakers in 12" as a browse filtering type search. Right now Eminence has the best rating on Musicians Friend, but I've already heard the Weber speaker sound clips and I'm much more impressed by their speakers (due to no sound clips of Eminence, yet).
 
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FWIW, take the ratings on MF with a grain of salt. I put about as much credibilty in those rates as those on Harmony Central.
 
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I would take sound clips off the internet and reviews from Musicians Friend with a grain of salt....

Sound clips are using totally different guitars, amps and is played by someone that is not you so I feel that they do not judge the overall sound very well at all. And if you want reviews, go to harmony central, I found that a lot of musicians friend reviews are sorta off and/or the person has no idea what they are talking about. And please, dont just go by "Oh, this speaker has a 9.8 and this has a 8.9, gotta go with the 9.8." People just hit numbers in sometimes and that screws up the average or whatever.
 
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FWIW, take the ratings on MF with a grain of salt. I put about as much credibilty in those rates as those on Harmony Central.

Whoa, great minds... Yea: EDIT FROM LAST POST: Harmony Central is not very good either, but I always thought they were better than musician friend reviews. However now that I think of it, they're both sorta bad.
 
Re: Speakers for '72 Twin Reverb, part 2

I would take sound clips off the internet and reviews from Musicians Friend with a grain of salt....

Sound clips are using totally different guitars, amps and is played by someone that is not you so I feel that they do not judge the overall sound very well at all. And if you want reviews, go to harmony central, I found that a lot of musicians friend reviews are sorta off and/or the person has no idea what they are talking about. And please, dont just go by "Oh, this speaker has a 9.8 and this has a 8.9, gotta go with the 9.8." People just hit numbers in sometimes and that screws up the average or whatever.

Yeah, true. Like some people think rating anything a "10" is bad because nothing is perfect. Others, like me, if it does everything it's supposed to and is an upgrade from what I have or makes it easier for me to do music, etc, or if I'm impressed (which is very difficult since I'm a perfectionist :D), I give it a 10.
 
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Take what Christian advised and go for it. That man has a ton of knowledge about amps, speakers, cabs and Fenders in general.
 
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Well, i will state again, i am using these eminence speakers in the SAME AMP AS YOU! And just to state another thing again, i had a lengthy conversation with David Allen, a practical Fender Amp guru, about eminence speakers, and they are what he uses! He loves em'! I'm certain whatever christian is endorsing is great too. For the love of God (haha), go with one of our suggestions! You won't regret!
 
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