Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
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dominus
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
Are you referring to Gearmanndude, or SD Artist Ola Englund that just joined The Haunted?
Are you referring to Gearmanndude, or SD Artist Ola Englund that just joined The Haunted?
idsnowdog
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
I have no doubt that the amps all sound different but the production of those clips ruined any individuality and the comparison is largely meaningless. It's nearly as bad a the homogenized production you hear in Dimarzio's sound clips.
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dominus
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
The point I was making was that it's the same cabinet and mic setup that makes them sound very similar. I can get similar sounds (to each other) using the same cabinet IR whether I'm using plugins, solid state heads, tube heads, or distortion pedals.
The point I was making was that it's the same cabinet and mic setup that makes them sound very similar. I can get similar sounds (to each other) using the same cabinet IR whether I'm using plugins, solid state heads, tube heads, or distortion pedals.
Jolly_Rancher
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
You can hear fundamental (major) differences from each amp in that vid you posted... so yeah... and are you sure it was the same cab on all the segments? They didn't say anything about that in the vid.
You can hear fundamental (major) differences from each amp in that vid you posted... so yeah... and are you sure it was the same cab on all the segments? They didn't say anything about that in the vid.
Jolly_Rancher
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
Nope nope nope. I've seen many a GMD video, and he has terrible consistency with regards to what he uses to record the clips, except for the camera. And I can't decipher what that last comment was supposed to mean...
Nope nope nope. I've seen many a GMD video, and he has terrible consistency with regards to what he uses to record the clips, except for the camera. And I can't decipher what that last comment was supposed to mean...
dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
Oops. The GMD link was supposed to have a link to all of the distortion pedals he's tried.
I'm not listening to Gearmanndude for the nuances mostly because I can't stand the sounds he gets from just about everything. He'll take the most high gain pedal and show you how clean it is and what great rock tones you can get. Feh.
For Ola's stuff, you can probably listen to about half of his clips and they all sound very similar. Basically he does his best to find his tone with everything. Not that there's anything wrong with that of course.
As for the last statement I made, I can make a lot of different gear sound similar because I'm using the same speaker sound.
Oops. The GMD link was supposed to have a link to all of the distortion pedals he's tried.
I'm not listening to Gearmanndude for the nuances mostly because I can't stand the sounds he gets from just about everything. He'll take the most high gain pedal and show you how clean it is and what great rock tones you can get. Feh.
For Ola's stuff, you can probably listen to about half of his clips and they all sound very similar. Basically he does his best to find his tone with everything. Not that there's anything wrong with that of course.
As for the last statement I made, I can make a lot of different gear sound similar because I'm using the same speaker sound.
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Jolly_Rancher
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
Ah ok, I getcha now... and I can't agree more about GMD. His recordings really sound bad no matter what, although he shows the range of pedals decently, and the cool thing is that he always has new stuff that isn't blasted in your face with advertising campaigns from the big companies, so that's cool!
While youtube is bad for sounds, and the recording process also adds another aspect where sounds can be tampered with, the way I get ideas of things through youtube is listening to as many different videos of the same products and seeing what common factors there are.
And, there was a GREAT speaker demo done by Doug Doppler and Neil Dorfsman that's up on the www.geartunes.com website. It shows exactly how much difference a speaker can make in your tone, in a band situation, and on it's own, and I have been right-click opening a 2nd speaker (of the same amp/reamp track) and opening it along side the V30 clips to get an idea of which speaker to get to replace my Greenback. It's really a great demo, well done, and wide in scope.
Ah ok, I getcha now... and I can't agree more about GMD. His recordings really sound bad no matter what, although he shows the range of pedals decently, and the cool thing is that he always has new stuff that isn't blasted in your face with advertising campaigns from the big companies, so that's cool!
While youtube is bad for sounds, and the recording process also adds another aspect where sounds can be tampered with, the way I get ideas of things through youtube is listening to as many different videos of the same products and seeing what common factors there are.
And, there was a GREAT speaker demo done by Doug Doppler and Neil Dorfsman that's up on the www.geartunes.com website. It shows exactly how much difference a speaker can make in your tone, in a band situation, and on it's own, and I have been right-click opening a 2nd speaker (of the same amp/reamp track) and opening it along side the V30 clips to get an idea of which speaker to get to replace my Greenback. It's really a great demo, well done, and wide in scope.
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Jolly_Rancher
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
hmmm... you must be listening wrong! LOL
hmmm... you must be listening wrong! LOL
toneseeker74
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toneseeker74
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
Until I swapped my first speaker I didn't realize that I was guilty of this. I had a few amps that were "almost there," but I sold off because I wanted a better sound. I have since re-bought some of the same model amps, and I fine tune with speakers and tubes.
Until I swapped my first speaker I didn't realize that I was guilty of this. I had a few amps that were "almost there," but I sold off because I wanted a better sound. I have since re-bought some of the same model amps, and I fine tune with speakers and tubes.
toneseeker74
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toneseeker74
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
I have read some theory on cabinet's impact, but I haven't owned enough different cabinets that I could swap speakers with. I'd really like to see/hear some good demos of this. While it would be time consuming, I think it would be really valuable.
I have read some theory on cabinet's impact, but I haven't owned enough different cabinets that I could swap speakers with. I'd really like to see/hear some good demos of this. While it would be time consuming, I think it would be really valuable.
toneseeker74
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
I once had 12 or 14 different 12-inch speakers, 3 different 8's, 4 different 10's and 2 different 15's sitting around in boxes. My wife and I both got tired of the giant stack of boxes, so I picked my favorites and started selling the rest. I still need to unload a few. While I miss having a few of the speakers for varied tonal options, I'm glad I got rid of most of them.
I once had 12 or 14 different 12-inch speakers, 3 different 8's, 4 different 10's and 2 different 15's sitting around in boxes. My wife and I both got tired of the giant stack of boxes, so I picked my favorites and started selling the rest. I still need to unload a few. While I miss having a few of the speakers for varied tonal options, I'm glad I got rid of most of them.
Jolly_Rancher
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
Here:
That's also a decent demo. Before Geartunes did theirs, that was probably the best one out on the web.
Here:
That's also a decent demo. Before Geartunes did theirs, that was probably the best one out on the web.
toneseeker74
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
Yeah, that's a pretty good one. I never considered V30's given all the hate I read about them, but this clip convinced me to rethink that.
Yeah, that's a pretty good one. I never considered V30's given all the hate I read about them, but this clip convinced me to rethink that.
JeffB
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Re: Speakers; How under-estimated are they in an amps sound?
I tend to like v30s with two types of amps
Older NMV type amps that could benefit from either tightening up the lows, or adding some midrange compexity (or both)
Or
More modern amplifies that were designed specifically around their strengths/weakness'.
It is a love/hate speaker for me.
I tend to like v30s with two types of amps
Older NMV type amps that could benefit from either tightening up the lows, or adding some midrange compexity (or both)
Or
More modern amplifies that were designed specifically around their strengths/weakness'.
It is a love/hate speaker for me.
