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Back atcha Brother! I appreciate what you are saying and calling me out.. And, you very well could be right.. Its a hard call. I cant say it sounds bad, but can it sound better? My Peavy Classic 30 didn't sound bad. Except for this thuddy thing it did when I'd first hit a big chord. However, it sounds completely different and a whole lot better with the replacement speaker.
So, thinking of experimenting. Money is really tight, so not gonna run out and buy 6 speakers for both cabs,, but may try a v30 (or equiv) in the 2x12. I've never played one before. (v30) It would be cool if I had a shop around that had a selection of cabs so I could test. Yeah, I know, it's a bummer that I spend more time reading about gear than playing... Not by my choice... But, yes, plants those evil seeds of what if... But again, I know how speakers can make a big diff and it appears that the 75s in my 2x12 are very mid scooped. So, may take Adieu's advice and look for a used speaker before dropping cash on new ones. We will see.. just testing the waters right now. Thanks again !

If you do go V30, consider the Avatar Hellatone 60. It is a V30 that Avatar has broken in and rebranded. Price is similar, IIRC.

BTW, I also dropped a Pvt Jack into my PV Classic 30. Sounds great!
 
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Another vote for Weber here. You can pretty much order Weber Legacy's to be built to your specs. I've got some, they delivered for me.
 
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Trying to decide on speakers is proving to be a mind numbing task.. I dont have money to try and swap around.. So need to be pretty certain.

I have some questions tho..
First, did some searching and seems like several have said they find WGS as good if not better than Emi. There are so many options.. Im considering going with the standards of an x of Green backs/vin 30s. Based on WGS' descriptions, they have models based on those, but say theirs are tweaked to dial out the bad points of the celestions.

In regards to Celestions.. It appears that the Heritage series are made in UK and more pricey.
What I find interesting is that the Heritage Green back is $199 and the EVH speaker is also made in UK but oddly, it is much less. Id expect it to be more as having EVH's name.. The thing with that those, is that they are rated like 20watts. Doesnt seem to me they would handle a 100 watt head.

How does one know what ohm rating to get?

Davastone, you recommend in a few threads the Classic Lead 80. and the WGS version. Why is that?

Vintage 30 is 30watts, correct? The WGS "version" is rated at 60. Would that be a big mismatch with "greenbacks" at 25?

Anyone tried the George Lynch Celestion?

I could go on and on with questions... Again , its boggling my mind
thanks for any help. or even alt suggestions

For additional impressions about the WGS version of the Lead 80 speaker, read this:
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...sic-lead-80-vs-warehouse-british-lead.435306/
 
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The Carvin cab has their "British Series" speakers in it.


Adieu,
Yeah, was thinking bout putting a V30 in the Avatar and leaving on of the stockers to get started. I cant say it sounds bad now, but from everything Ive read, the stock speakers are very mid scooped, so hopefully on v30 will help fill in the mids and Ill still have the lows from the stock speaker.

As an additional "v30 like candidate", i recommend you check out the Celestion V Type speaker. I've recently started running one of them in combination with a T75, and - for metal/thrash type playing - that combo is awesome and its a keeper for me. Like the WGS version, the V Type does not have the V30's nasty spike in the 1Khz region of the mids. The V type is lacking in low end however so you will want to run it in combo with something else, vs 2 V types.

Also, the V Type is a 70 watt speaker
 
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I totally understand, and yes, a speaker can make a huge difference. And used is definitely the way to go on a budget!

And I think a lot of guitar players play the "what if..." scenario.

Yes.. When I was fresh and new on the Net... I was a fool for the john doe madam ex suggest blah blah blah so it must be the shizzle.. Im proud to say, it didnt take me long to wise up that EVERyone online deems themselves an expert and to take it ALL with a grain of salt... So, I try to do alot of research before i put a question put there and in that research, I try to consider the consistancies,

Anyhow.. Internet be damned... In listening to the things posted... My ear are telling me the V30 is wicked bright and I honestly cant see why it so popular.. ( I really know,, If I played with a band, it would cut thru nicely.,)) And,, In the one shootout test I looked at, the Celestion 75s that are so hated, seemed to kick ass in the shootout. I hear they are mids only, but the shootout had them covering the whole range quite nicely
 
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YJM is a faithful G12T-75 user. I think the V30 is harsh, but I honestly haven't used them that much so I'm not an expert. You are correct, in a band situation everything changes and they probably cut through very well. Slash uses them and althought Vai's first Carvin cabs had GBs, but I think they quickly changed to V30s.
 
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"It cuts through" is a quite poor argument when someone critizes speaker tone. If it doesn't sound good, who cares?

I guess many would prefer it didn't cut so well :D
 
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Yes, but a speaker that sounds good by itself but gets lost in a mix is useless for anything but studio work.

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Yes, but a speaker that sounds good by itself but gets lost in a mix is useless for anything but studio work.

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True. Eminence V12 I had was just like that in closed cab.

It sounded pure 80's metal in open back though!
 
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I have a single 12 convertible cab and it definitely sounds different open vs closed. I like it open for clean to crunch but closed for heavy distortion.

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Anyone tried the George Lynch Celestion?

Yep, I was originally trying to get a high powered greenback but for some reasons I got this and I really like it. Here a super small clip with an MIM Strat with stock pickups, thru an AMT SS-20, ISP Stealth Poweramp and a Fender HRDiii cab with the Lynchback. I think it is good for the mild overdrive but imho it really shines on crunch and lead.


By the way, I am selling the Strat, I am in Mexico city :)
https://www.segundamano.mx/anuncios...ctrica-fender-stratocaster-925702884?nav=true
 
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How does one know what ohm rating to get?
It depends on your amp. Tube amps will send the same amount of power to wither 16 o 8 Ohms, you just need use the proper output or impedance switch at the rear. Solid state amps will send more power to smaller impedance but be sure to use a value that the amp will handle, read the manual whenever possible. Some people claim 16 Ohms sound better, I cannot tell the difference, go figure. But the most important thing is your speaker should be rated for same or more power your amp can feed the speaker.


Vintage 30 is 30watts, correct? The WGS "version" is rated at 60. Would that be a big mismatch with "greenbacks" at 25?
Edit: Celestion V30 is 60 watts. The watts rating is about how much power the speaker can take safely before overheating and potential damage. If your amp is 50 watts and you connect one V30 and one greenback in parallel, if they have the same impedance then each one will receive 25 watts from your amp, Greenback will be close to its limit, V30 will be halfway. Now, what really explains if a speaker is louder than the other under the same amount of watts being feed to it is the sensitivity, I think greenback is around 98dB while V30 is around 100db so a bit louder but I think it is worth trying.
 
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Yep, I was originally trying to get a high powered greenback but for some reasons I got this and I really like it. Here a super small clip with an MIM Strat with stock pickups, thru an AMT SS-20, ISP Stealth Poweramp and a Fender HRDiii cab with the Lynchback. I think it is good for the mild overdrive but imho it really shines on crunch and lead.


By the way, I am selling the Strat, I am in Mexico city :)
https://www.segundamano.mx/anuncios...ctrica-fender-stratocaster-925702884?nav=true

Nice clip! good playing and great neck position tone! Also, love the color of that strat! good luck with the sale!
 
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How does one know what ohm rating to get?
It depends on your amp. Tube amps will send the same amount of power to wither 16 o 8 Ohms, you just need use the proper output or impedance switch at the rear. Solid state amps will send more power to smaller impedance but be sure to use a value that the amp will handle, read the manual whenever possible. Some people claim 16 Ohms sound better, I cannot tell the difference, go figure. But the most important thing is your speaker should be rated for same or more power your amp can feed the speaker.


Vintage 30 is 30watts, correct? The WGS "version" is rated at 60. Would that be a big mismatch with "greenbacks" at 25?
Edit: Celestion V30 is 60 watts. The watts rating is about how much power the speaker can take safely before overheating and potential damage. If your amp is 50 watts and you connect one V30 and one greenback in parallel, if they have the same impedance then each one will receive 25 watts from your amp, Greenback will be close to its limit, V30 will be halfway. Now, what really explains if a speaker is louder than the other under the same amount of watts being feed to it is the sensitivity, I think greenback is around 98dB while V30 is around 100db so a bit louder but I think it is worth trying.

V30 is rated 60w-70w

Thirty appears to be metric-speak for 12 inches
 
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V30 is rated 60w-70w

Thirty appears to be metric-speak for 12 inches

Nah, I don't think so. I never have heard any speaker to be referred in centimeters regardless of manufacturing/design etc...would be pretty weird if Celestion offhandedly did that with just one of their models.
 
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Some people claim 16 Ohms sound better, I cannot tell the difference, go figure. But the most important thing is your speaker should be rated for same or more power your amp can feed the speaker.
Part of the difference has to do with the way the voice coil is constructed for the higher impedance, and also with the fact that 16 ohms use more windings of the output transformer.
 
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Part of the difference has to do with the way the voice coil is constructed for the higher impedance, and also with the fact that 16 ohms use more windings of the output transformer.

16 ohm is usually more scooped, which is why I think some people prefer them.

You can hear it in the clips. The 16 ohm sounds better solo’d, but sounds weaker in the mix. The 8 ohm sounds kind of honky solo’d, but pops more in the mix.
 
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Speaker selection aside, I’ve kinda soured on the X pattern in the 412. I never really feel like the sounds blend together, and instead I’m either hearing one speaker or the other. I can’t dial the amp into a sweet spot for one speaker without it sounding weird with the other. It’s also a slant cab, so a straight cab might blend the tones better. I think that’s why Friedman does top/bottom, so your tone doesn’t change from one side of the room to the other.

I’ve never liked mixing speakers. What I gain in thickness I loose in punch and focus. The cab seems to work better when everything is working together.
 
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i have a v30/g12h loaded 2x12 cab which i think sounds great, it also gives the sound guy two options for what he wants to hear in house
 
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