Squier Deluxe Strat Hotrails - a nice guitar ruined by incompetence?

ChrisL56

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I came to this forum to have one good whinge, I will have it and then may never be seen here again. Hopefully, I may get a better result in the right places than I have elsewhere.

Recently, I bought this Squier guitar. The reviews were good, it felt lovely to play, it sounded good with its Duncan Designed Hotrails and at less than the equivalent of 250 bucks, I didn't think I could go wrong.

I say it sounded good, but somehow it didn't sound right and this caused me to try a little experiment that I have done with other guitars of mine recently. I plugged a short cable in, put a meter across the end of the cable and measured the resistance of each pickup (not accurate, I know, but for a quick comparison, perfectly acceptable).

Bridge = 11.5 K ohms
Middle = 22.5 K ohms
Neck = 11.5 K ohms

I had half expected something like this. I chose not to go back to the shop I got it from because I thought it would just be an open invitation to keep the guitar for a couple of days to look good, do nothing and then just say 'Sounds okay to us - don't forget it is just a cheap old Squier', so I threw my warranty in the bin and lifted the scratchplate.

Now, a set of Duncan Designed pickups is just that, a SET of Duncan Designed pickups and so to sound exactly as they were intended to sound, they need to be in the right positions, not the bridge pickup in the middle position, the middle pickup in the neck position and the neck pickup in the bridge position, which is where these were. According to the serial number, the guitar was built by CorTek in Indonesia and the obvious conclusion here is that someone does not understand what he is doing or simply hasn't been taught properly.

Ten minutes with a screwdriver and a soldering iron and what did I have? One of the most awesome sounding guitars I have ever had with a bridge pickup that absolutely screams and a neck/middle combination that exudes creamy neck/middle-through-a-Marshall-stack through the clean channel of a little 20 watt Ashdown tube amp with not much gain set at all.

I tried emailing Fender UK and got no response at all - they probably don't even understand what the problem is, or else don't want to know because I am not complaining about a 2000 buck plus American custom shop strat. :banghead:

It saddens me that such a stupid, easily rectifiable little problem could drive people away from what could otherwise be a little gem of an instrument or else means that existing owners are not getting the full benefit of the sounds available. It should also worry Seymour Duncan that a not so good sounding set of incorrectly installed pickups is not going to enhance their reputation - If this forum is actually monitored by anyone from the company, I wish they would get in touch with Fender US and let them know about this.

Or maybe I should just not worry about it, be thankful that MY guitar sounds great and to hell with all the other suckers who buy one and are then disappointed with it - but I have never been able to do that - which is probably why I am on this site now

Rant over, have a good day everyone


Schecter C1 Classic (SH-2 and SH-4 factory fitted)
Schecter Ultra (Duncan Designed HB-102 set factory fitted)
Kramer (Gibson) Baretta Pro (SH-2 and SH-4 factory fitted)
Squier Double Fat Tele Deluxe (SH-2 and SH-4 retro fitted)
Squier Deluxe Hotrails Strat (Duncan Designed HR-101 set factory fitted)
 
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Re: Squier Deluxe Strat Hotrails - a nice guitar ruined by incompetence?

Sort of the same experience with a SuperChamp XD. Read all the glowing reviews and threads here and other forums. Decided it would be a choice practice, grab and go jam amp. It sounded horrible. Tried changing tubes, speakers and nothing helped. Talked to the dealer about exchanging for something else but could not come to an agreement. Almost had it sold when I read on some forum that someone had checked the bias on their new amp and it was way off. 20ma instead of 40. Pulled the chassis, hooked up the Fluke. and sure enough. 19ma. Cranked it to 40 and there it was. Everything I had read about. It's a keeper !!

Oops, almost forgot. I have Squier Standard Strat. Great guitar with a minimum amount of setup . Better than some MIM's that I have played.
 
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Funnily enough, I read pretty much the same story a few months ago on another forum, with pics and all.
It would seem these guitars all come with the pups in the wrong place.

Weird.
 
Re: Squier Deluxe Strat Hotrails - a nice guitar ruined by incompetence?

Funnily enough, I read pretty much the same story a few months ago on another forum, with pics and all.
It would seem these guitars all come with the pups in the wrong place.

Weird.

You know what? I really had a feeling I would not be the only one. Don't know whether that makes me feel better or worse. Thanks for the feedback anyway :1:
 
Re: Squier Deluxe Strat Hotrails - a nice guitar ruined by incompetence?

Oops, almost forgot. I have Squier Standard Strat. Great guitar with a minimum amount of setup . Better than some MIM's that I have played.

+1 on that. I have a standard quilt top which looks, feels and sounds excellent and I am now eyeing up the current deluxe which, oddly enough, has a set of Duncan Designed's on it. Can't understand why MIM's still use a vintage bridge while the Squiers have embraced the much better twin fulcrum bridge similar to American Standards. Must still have thousands of them in stores :)
 
Re: Squier Deluxe Strat Hotrails - a nice guitar ruined by incompetence?

Can't understand why MIM's still use a vintage bridge while the Squiers have embraced the much better twin fulcrum bridge similar to American Standards. Must still have thousands of them in stores :)

The vintage bridge has a particular sound that some players prefer. Look at Malmsteen's signature Strat; the guy doesn't want anything to do with a two-point American Standard bridge.

Also, Fender probably wants to maintain some differentiation among the various series -- between Squiers and MIMs, between MIMs and MIAs.
 
Re: Squier Deluxe Strat Hotrails - a nice guitar ruined by incompetence?

Thanks for thread...just bought one...will check under the hood and let you know...ya..always buyer beware...

Adam
 
Re: Squier Deluxe Strat Hotrails - a nice guitar ruined by incompetence?

Well, I got the exact same problem.
Lifted the pickguard of my Squier Hot Rails and sure enough on the mid position it clearly said
"bridge" (not even an acronym or a code, but in plain letters it says bridge and neck on the other two).
Didn't bother re-soldering though... now I got a bridge pickup with tone control ;)
It does sound good though with the PUps at the correct position :D
 
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the persons assembling these can't speak or read English, and thus, can't interpret the English designations on the pups. Be thankful you at least got one of each. :)
I'm going to check mine as soon as I have my coffee.
 
Re: Squier Deluxe Strat Hotrails - a nice guitar ruined by incompetence?

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the persons assembling these can't speak or read English, and thus, can't interpret the English designations on the pups.

When I toured the Corona plant years ago, nearly all the workers on the production line were women speaking Spanish.... I saw guys (speaking Spanish) in the finishing area.
 
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Corona, CA? My Squier Deluxe was made in Indonesia.

Also, just checked mine. All my pups are in the right position.
 
Re: Squier Deluxe Strat Hotrails - a nice guitar ruined by incompetence?

I got it from forum bro Rand-O, a couple years ago. Not sure how long he had it before me. I'll be talking to him tomorrow. I'll ask him.
 
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