Stacked P-90 for heavy music

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Can a stacked P-90 play heavy music? I have a set of the stacked P-90's and was going to drop them in my Tele and take out the P-90's that are already in there. I want a tone that can get heavy and meaty and also be clean and clear, but with the traditional P-90 tone. Also are the stacked P-90's splittable?
 
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I have a Phat Cat that I used for a while in the bridge of one of my guitars, but it was demoted to the neck position. It's a cool sound under tons of gain for both positions. It's different. It's edgy and kinda twangy with lots of attack and snarl. Not your typical modern metal sound. I don't see why stacked P-90's couldn't work equally well.

However, if you want a more polished, tight, modern high-gain tone, I'd rather go for a P-90-sized humbucker in the bridge.
 
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P-90's work great for any kind of aggressive music. Lots of output, and a big honking midrange.
 
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Agreed. A p90 will get the job done. I have the custom and hot p90s and they are great. As for splitting a stacked pickup, I don't think it's the same as splitting a humbucker. I think the stacking just makes it hum canceling and isn't meant to sound good while split.


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I'd go with a regular P90...but the stack will work if you have noise issues. I think a regular P90 would be fine, though.
 
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I have a set of stacked p-90's in my 339, wired in parallel for hum free operation. I added a push pull for each to get series when I want to fatten them up. this adds a bost and gives them more of a humbucker mid thickness. Its a great option for noiseless sounds when using gain. They are splitable and give a bit of boost when split, but they get noisy when split, which is why I went to stacked design in the first place. I really like them, they can get clean and clear or they can do distorted and heavy. Not to many people try them, I say do it.
 
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Dear forum members,
I bought a LPJr and it came with a standard Gibson P-90, it sounded like I expected, gritty and when needed, clean, but the buzz was really strong. So I got a stacked Gibson P-90 and although the buzz was gone, so did the sparkle the regular P-90 had.
I have noticed this on the few stacked Stat pickups I tried around 2004 or so. Have the newer stacked P-90's found a way to cancel hum without giving up that sparkle in the high end?
Thanks,
Steve Buffington (buff)
 
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It is always a compromise...but I like the idea of using them in parallel with a series switch. I've never heard a stacked P90 in series sound as good as a true P-90. But I bet the parallel option might come closer.
 
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Mincer,
I must risk sounding ignorant. What is all this talk of using one pickup in series or parallel. What does that mean in simple lay man's terms?
Or do you need 2 p'ups to do that. I have been reading this for years now. Maybe I should just google it?
Buff
 
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Series or parallel are the way of connecting two coils together. Those 2 coils can be in a humbucker or 2 coils stacked or even 2 individual single coils being selected on the 5 way switch.

Parallel means 2 separate coils run individually at the same time, in a stacked or humbucking pickup they are hum canceling. Think of it like having a reverse wound reverse pole strat middle and selecting the neck and middle pickup together. in a humbucker the coils are much closer and in a stack the coils are in the same position.

Series is the standard wiring for a humbucker, it means running one coil through the other one. In a humbucker the coils are reversed and opposite polarity, thus canceling hum. Running the coils end to end like this fattens up both the mid range and the output. Some people put a 4 way switch in the telecaster to get a 4th sound of the pickups in series, makes for a huge sound, Another example is the red special that Brian May used with queen, he had wired for series in some positions.

When a coil is split, it is by itself, this adds a boost over parallel because 2 resistances in parallel halve the overall size resistance, more or less. Putting the coils in series adds the 2 together in resistance thus making it louder than split.

The stacks since they only have one row of poles only see one point on the strings and that point influences how they sound. The second coil in the stack actually faces down away from the strings though and is under the magnet. Being only one spot on the strings you aren't getting a second node or point to fatten up the sound when in series, but you're also not losing as much sparkle with the second coil facing down since it's only getting a weak signal from the strings.

Anytime 2 coils are humbucking, whether series or parallel there is some frequency cancellation between the 2. Some of this can be offset by using 2 different spots under the strings, uneven winding of the coils or even different gauges of wire. That's part of why the 59/custom has such a 3D sound, but it's very hard to get all of the sparkle back and still reject hum or noise. I have seen this complaint with stacks just like I've seen it to a lesser extent with rwrp middle singles. There's are other tricks out there like burying a coil under you pickguard or inside your wiring cavity that cancel the hum without dampening the frequencies, but I haven't tried any.
 
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allstrarrme,
Thank you for that information. I understand it. However I am not sure how or which wires to use to accomplish the sound that is not like the normal humbucker. I suppose I need a 4 conducted 'bucker, which is fine.
Buff
 
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