stag mag

[GuitarDoc]

Re: stag mag

.. but what I meant was that just because it has a similar mV output to a regular single doesn't mean anything really. He wants strat tone. Not strat output... and that just because it has a similar mV output doesn't necessarily mean it'll have the tone He's looking for

Well, almost. That's true, except that (generally speaking), lower output is going to give you a cleaner, less distorted, brighter, less mid-rangy tone. More of a vintage tone. So, indirectly, it does affect tone.

...sure maybe the stagmag does do the single coil thing well... and maybe it'll be perfect for him. I was just voicing my concerns over the fact that they are built completely different. With different materials and winds than a traditional single coil.

But they aren't "completely" different. Talking that way makes you lose credibility very quickly.

Is that such a bad thing?

In and of itself, no it's not such a bad thing to relate the construction methods and materials in a pup...if that would offer some useful related info to help the OP. But, you used this information to discredit me and my experience with this pup and the practical application of that experience to legitimately and sincerely answer the OP's question in an effort to provide some useful information to help him. You, on the other hand, gave him no helpful information.

And all this from a person who has zero actual experience with the pup.

Do you see a flaw here?

 

[firebirdguy72]

Re: stag mag

Actually I never tried to discredit you... I did exactly what you said is acceptable. Which is trying to point out the big differences in the construction of the stagmag to an actual single coil and how it would relate to the tone of the pickup. Read my posts again. I never said YOU'RE WRONG! I'M RIGHT... I gave my opinion on why I don't see how it could sound like a real strat pickup given the major differences in construction. Anyway I'm done... Guirardoc you seem like a smart, reasonable guy but I'm just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. To the OP I apologize that the thread got derailed a bit because of my first post. I hope you find the pickup your looking for! And if it's the stagmag then great!

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: stag mag

I want to believe that you are sincere here, and if that's true, I appreciate it. But OMG, you need to reread your first post (#15). You didn't use the words "You're wrong, I'm right", but you spent that entire post trying to prove that I must be wrong and justifying your proof with presumptions and suppositions and nearly irrelevant data (since you had never played the SM and couldn't speak from any actual experience).

Sorry dude, but I'm glad you're done. I WILL, however, give you the benefit of the doubt and presume your last post is a sincere apology.

 

[xerophthalmic]

Re: stag mag

Try a P-Rails in the bridge. With a P-Rails you'll have one weak single coil, one strong single coil, and a humbucker available for matching to other pickups and nailing particular sounds. With a P-Rails in the bridge, you also have more hum cancelling options in combination with the neck and middle pickups. I have one guitar with a bridge P-Rails and another guitar with a neck P-Rails in the bridge spot.

Also, if you want a 24 fret guitar with three pickups, look for an old Hamer Chaparral. '87 and earlier models feature original Floyd Rose bridges. They are fantastic guitars; they made both 24.75" and 25.5" length models.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: stag mag

Neither of the coils of a P-Rail sounds like a Strat single coil. The P-90 coil sounds, well, like a P-90...MUCH thicker than a Strat single-coil. The Rail coil sounds more like a Tele than a Strat, but really is it's own thing. It sounds best with the Rail coil mounted next to the bridge.

It's true that you will get more variation in output between coils which can help in matching the output of other pups. But you won't get the tone of a Strat. If you'll notice the posts of the OP, he's concerned about the tone...wants Hendrix type Strat TONES from a split bucker. That's not going to happen with a P-Rail but he'll come very close with a split SM.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: stag mag

he'll come very close with a split SM.

He will get closer with a split riogrande... but that suggestions been ignored.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: stag mag

He will get closer with a split riogrande... but that suggestions been ignored.

I've never tried the Rio Grande so I don't really know firsthand anything about it, but I've heard nothing but good about it. It's probably gone ignored because the OP was just asking about the SM.

I think I need more guitars so I can try out more pups. (Dang! My wife would kill me if I did that!)

 

[ericmeyer4]

Re: stag mag

I think I need more guitars so I can try out more pups. (Dang! My wife would kill me if I did that!)

Get duplicate guitars. "Mrs. GuitarDoc why do you think I got a new guitar? I've had a [COLOR] [BRAND] [MODEL] for [TIME]." Technically, not a lie. :kidding:

 

[ericmeyer4]

Re: stag mag

Also, if you want a 24 fret guitar with three pickups, look for an old Hamer Chaparral. '87 and earlier models feature original Floyd Rose bridges. They are fantastic guitars; they made both 24.75" and 25.5" length models.

With some slight modifications, it looks like many of the current Ibanez models could fit the bill for a 24 fret, SSS, floyd guitar. It looks like all it would take is a new pickguard (from the very limited amount of research I did).

 

[ericmeyer4]

Re: stag mag

Does anyone have any experience with the Stag mag in the bridge position? I need info both on how it sounds as a single-coil and as a humbucker. What I need is tight metal humbucker crunch AND Blackmore/Hendrix single coil in the bridge position from the same guitar. Is the stag mag going to do the job?

Maybe I'd better clarify: when I talk about metal, I mean Maiden or Sabbath more than I mean Metallica or Slayer.

I have a Stag Mag and I think you could ball park it with this pickup. Where you land in the ball park is going to depend largely on your other gear.

It is rumored that the Stag Mag has the same or similar wind to the JB. I don't know if it is true, but from my experience a Stag Mag in series and an A2 JB had very similar tonal properties.

In series you would get, to my ears, a JBish sounding pickup for your heavy sound (500k pots work well with the Stag Mag, the A2 mags keep it from being overly bright like a stock JB where 250k pots are often used). When split you will get a strat sounding pickup for your single coil sound. Neither will be dead on to the bands you mentioned, but, like I said, you can ball park it.

Try to pick one up on the used marked and see if it works for you. They typically go for ~$50 and if it is not working you could easily get your money back on it. At the very least you will know if this style of pickup is going to work for you in the way you are looking for.

Also be sure to get a 3 way switch or Triple Shots to take advantage of Series/Split/Parallel.

I've do not have experience with the other pickups mentioned in this thread so I cannot comment on those.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: stag mag

Get duplicate guitars. "Mrs. GuitarDoc why do you think I got a new guitar? I've had a [COLOR] [BRAND] [MODEL] for [TIME]." Technically, not a lie. :kidding:

Unfortunately, with 35 guitars so far in the house, I've already used-up all of those rationalizations. lol.

 

[2ndhandband]

Re: stag mag

Hey guys, tnx for all the replies. Am looking into some of the options that have been thrown out... the Rio Grande stuff is intriguing.

 

[2ndhandband]

Re: stag mag

Just pulled the trigger on a Rio Grande Tallboy. Can't wait till it arrives! To respond to a few specific comments:

You can use 500k pots. Just wire in an extra 47o to 510 kohm resistor for the singles so that they end up with roughly 250k resistance.
I did it with a sing/hum tele and it worked great.

Can you point me towards a good wiring diagram?

With some slight modifications, it looks like many of the current Ibanez models could fit the bill for a 24 fret, SSS, floyd guitar. It looks like all it would take is a new pickguard (from the very limited amount of research I did).

I've never bought a new guitar in my life

All of my axes are RG 560s and RG 760s... Ibanez only made these from '88-'92. I have considered finding an old RG550/750 and doing what you suggested,

Also be sure to get a 3 way switch or Triple Shots to take advantage of Series/Split/Parallel.

Probably a 3-way. I've had triple shots in the past and found the micro switches wore out pretty fast with constant use.

Unfortunately, with 35 guitars so far in the house, I've already used-up all of those rationalizations. lol.

At that point is she even gonna notice another?

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: stag mag

At that point is she even gonna notice another?

LOL. Probably...she is pretty familiar with all of them.

 

[2ndhandband]

Re: stag mag

LOL. Probably...she is pretty familiar with all of them.

Hehe that's amazing... my ex-wife hadn't a clue and I don't have anywhere near that many. What in god's name do you use them for? I play a minimum of three shows a week and I have a total of 8 guitars. I have far more $$$ into my rack.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: stag mag

I just love guitars and love to play them. Many of them are ones that I have built, that is also a passion of mine.

 

[2ndhandband]

Re: stag mag

I just love guitars and love to play them. Many of them are ones that I have built, that is also a passion of mine.

Cool! I'm boring when it comes to guitars; mine are pretty much all the same thing and use the same electronics. I mostly use different guitars for different tunings (floating bridges mean I can't even do dropped D without switching guitars), and when I switch I need to be able to get the same sounds. My approach to tonal variety is almost entirely in my rack. If this new bridge pickup works out (please gods) then I'll put the same thing in all of my axes and probably won't buy another piece of gear for the next five years.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: stag mag

probably won't buy another piece of gear for the next five years.

Good luck with that.