Strat Pick-ups — Low vs High Output?
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Jacew
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I agree.
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I agree.
gregory
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You must hate Fender's TBX control. I know I do.
Chistopher
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When wired properly (I.E. not the Fender way) the TBX is rather useful as a tone shaper.
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You must hate Fender's TBX control. I know I do.
When wired properly (I.E. not the Fender way) the TBX is rather useful as a tone shaper.
Clint 55
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They seem cool. No load in the center and 1 meg bass cut to 1 side and 250k tone to the other? When I rarely need less bass, I don't mind turning it down on the amp. How come you don't like them?
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You must hate Fender's TBX control. I know I do.
They seem cool. No load in the center and 1 meg bass cut to 1 side and 250k tone to the other? When I rarely need less bass, I don't mind turning it down on the amp. How come you don't like them?
Chistopher
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Fender wires them wrong. 0 to 5 acts as a standard tone control and 5 to 10 does nothing except give you a 1meg pot, no caps or anything. But 5 to 10 creates the illusion of adding more high end with a tricky resistor that actually gets faded out of the circuit throughout the entire rotation. So it actually works as a standard tone from 0 to 5 and it gradually fades from having 82k of load when the the pot is on 0 to almost no load when the pot is on 10.
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Fender wires them wrong. 0 to 5 acts as a standard tone control and 5 to 10 does nothing except give you a 1meg pot, no caps or anything. But 5 to 10 creates the illusion of adding more high end with a tricky resistor that actually gets faded out of the circuit throughout the entire rotation. So it actually works as a standard tone from 0 to 5 and it gradually fades from having 82k of load when the the pot is on 0 to almost no load when the pot is on 10.
gregory
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Bass cut...sigh, not this again. Not pointed directly at you, Clint, but no, it is not an effing bass cut.
In a nut shell:
A regular tone control from zero up to the detent at 5, but with an 82k load. You know, stick an 82k resistor on the input of your 250k volume control in addition to the 250k tone control. This is exactly what a TBX does up the the detent at 5. At the detent the tone control goes no load, but guess what(!) the 82k resistor is still there. From the detent to up to 10 it's a 1M linear taper that gets added to the 82k loading down the 250k volume. At 10 you've got 1M and change dangling from your 250k volume, which gives you a total load of ~200k.
Where's the circuit that cuts bass?
Oh, that's right...there isn't one! :34:
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Bass cut...sigh, not this again. Not pointed directly at you, Clint, but no, it is not an effing bass cut.
In a nut shell:
A regular tone control from zero up to the detent at 5, but with an 82k load. You know, stick an 82k resistor on the input of your 250k volume control in addition to the 250k tone control. This is exactly what a TBX does up the the detent at 5. At the detent the tone control goes no load, but guess what(!) the 82k resistor is still there. From the detent to up to 10 it's a 1M linear taper that gets added to the 82k loading down the 250k volume. At 10 you've got 1M and change dangling from your 250k volume, which gives you a total load of ~200k.
Where's the circuit that cuts bass?
Oh, that's right...there isn't one! :34:
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Chistopher
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Chistopher
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No it's a schematic. The schematic I posted is a simple modification to make a useless pot useful. That schematic in fact only works with the trick potentiometer used in a TBX. Saying it's not a TBX because it's wired differently is like saying a Les Paul with Jimmy Page wiring isn't a Les Paul.
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This, Christopher, is a Fender TBX control:
No it's a schematic. The schematic I posted is a simple modification to make a useless pot useful. That schematic in fact only works with the trick potentiometer used in a TBX. Saying it's not a TBX because it's wired differently is like saying a Les Paul with Jimmy Page wiring isn't a Les Paul.
gregory
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The TBX control is a complete circuit, not just a pot. I've provided the schematic of the circuit. You've presented an alternative way to use a pot, which from your post seems like it may use a different pot altogether.
i.e.: not a TBX control circuit therefore not a TBX control.
Somehow you forgot to post the schematic. Would you mind doing so?
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The TBX control is a complete circuit, not just a pot. I've provided the schematic of the circuit. You've presented an alternative way to use a pot, which from your post seems like it may use a different pot altogether.
i.e.: not a TBX control circuit therefore not a TBX control.
Somehow you forgot to post the schematic. Would you mind doing so?
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Chistopher
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It's post #68, not a schematic, but I can probably draw one up real quick if you want. I changed it even further to put another 1meg resistor so there isn't a jump in treebles when it hits the center detent.
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It's post #68, not a schematic, but I can probably draw one up real quick if you want. I changed it even further to put another 1meg resistor so there isn't a jump in treebles when it hits the center detent.
Clint 55
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That doesn't sound very good. 200k is about how much my 250k no load tone pots have before they go no load. I've started using all 250k no load tones because they're as bright as you need it and then they take effect as soon as you turn it down to 9.
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That doesn't sound very good. 200k is about how much my 250k no load tone pots have before they go no load. I've started using all 250k no load tones because they're as bright as you need it and then they take effect as soon as you turn it down to 9.
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Clint 55
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So you can wire em with a bass cut?
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So you can wire em with a bass cut?
gregory
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I didn't catch there being an input and an output, so yeah, it's like a tone control from 0-5 and then a high-pass shelf (literally the same as the B portion of the PTB control set) from 5-10.
This can be an extremely useful circuit to get a neck pickup to provide nice fat cleans as well as thin it out for gain.
Re: Strat Pick-ups — Low vs High Output?
I didn't catch there being an input and an output, so yeah, it's like a tone control from 0-5 and then a high-pass shelf (literally the same as the B portion of the PTB control set) from 5-10.
This can be an extremely useful circuit to get a neck pickup to provide nice fat cleans as well as thin it out for gain.
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YeRedHouseOverYonder
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Did you end up going to your tech? I have a Nash S-63 with Dirty Blondes going through a klone and Tweed Harvard/White Amp Clone. From what I've read, White Amps are pretty similar to Tweed Princetons. The Blondes cut well with the klone and amp. The Harvard side keeps the low end from flubbing out on me. I don't play live anymore however, YMMV.
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Re: Strat Pick-ups — Low vs High Output?
Did you end up going to your tech? I have a Nash S-63 with Dirty Blondes going through a klone and Tweed Harvard/White Amp Clone. From what I've read, White Amps are pretty similar to Tweed Princetons. The Blondes cut well with the klone and amp. The Harvard side keeps the low end from flubbing out on me. I don't play live anymore however, YMMV.
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Hey I did and ended up putting the CS 60’s back in the neck and middle. And replaced the bridge with a SD Antiquity Surfer. It works quite well. I do think a 9.8k bridge with a 5.8k middle is a bit much. I’m still thinking about replacing that bridge with something around 7k. Then I can sell the Surfers as a set. But have to admit the set up is really good.
Re: Strat Pick-ups — Low vs High Output?
Hey I did and ended up putting the CS 60’s back in the neck and middle. And replaced the bridge with a SD Antiquity Surfer. It works quite well. I do think a 9.8k bridge with a 5.8k middle is a bit much. I’m still thinking about replacing that bridge with something around 7k. Then I can sell the Surfers as a set. But have to admit the set up is really good.
