Stuck on this: Marinblues

Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

Ask him himself? The master knows best his own technique. Or something cheesy like that.
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

Never underestimate the power of listening! I just started playing again after a twenty + year layoff. While I was traveling to and fro and lickin the boots of corporate america, I was listening to cats like Pat Metheny, Pat Martino and Russ Freeman of the Rippington's. Maybe a little Stealy Dan thrown in for good measure.

Well Corporate America decided that they would rather get their employees from India and other countries that we'll probably have to go to war with soon! :yell: So I said to hell with it and I bought myself a little EPI LP. I was amazed! Once I got my fingers back in shape, I started studying some jazz standards.

Wow! All I can say is that the tone and feel of my playing seems like it was 10 times better than it was 20 yrs ago! While I was putting together solos to these standards I could hear this Methenyesque phrasing in my head. To my amazement I could pull off the phrasing and tonal variations of these cats that I had been listening to for the past 20 yrs! I could never do that before!

Now I'm not saying that you should give up playing for 20yrs! :chairfall No! No! Plenty of practice is always important as well. All I trying to point out is that in my case, It must have been the listening that paid off! Cuz I sure as hell had not been playing for the last 20 yrs! :laugh2:
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

Artie,

thanks very much. I am truly flattered. :)

Actually, I agree with what Osensei said.

After my 12 year break of guitar playing I tend to play more in the line of what sounds right to me than what should sound right to me.

Just follow your ear and heart and play what you like and not what you would expect people to like.

thanks

Marin
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

Fretology said:
I wonder if Marin only wheres shorts on Saturdays?
Marin?
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Well yes, considering the hear and humidity we have had in the past 2-3 weeks.:crazy:
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

Osensie: Thats good advice. Its not too far off from what I'm doing, in a way. I never really "took time off" per se, but just didn't take the instrument that seriously to begin with. I always had a guitar lying around in a corner. I'd pick it up from time to time and knock out some "House of the Rising Sun". (Or "Stairway to Heaven".) :yell:

It wasn't 'til I found this forum that I started to take it more seriously . . . at 50. I gotta lotta catch up to do. (Hey . . . there's a song in there somewhere.)

Marinblues: Can you maybe tell me a little about what you're doing right as that clip starts to fade out? It sounds like smooth, jazzy chords, but your fingers look like your plucking individual strings. I'd love to be able to get that sound.

Thanks man.
Artie
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

Artie,

Osensei is right. I am essentially playing 2 notes at the same time: the note and another note which is immediately above is on the higher string. For example F# on the D string and B on the G string. I harmonize that in the F# minor pentatonic.

M.
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

This why I love this forum. I've heard the term "double-stop" before but never paid much attention to it. It was just some music theory thang. Now I've found a specific music piece that I'm diggin' and the term comes into play. So, I did a Google search and now I get it. Its just playing two notes at once.

There's a bunch of good tutorial pages on it. Now I just gotta go do some reading and practicing.

Thanks marin and Osensei. :)

Artie
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

Marinblues, what is the difference between a double-stop and a chord? I thought you'd just call that a F#5 chord.

Forgive my ignorance, but I guess I will only need to be told what it is once. :p

Great clip btw, it's my second favourite after the one with the Red/Sunburst Strat. You have a great feel for the way notes should be played.
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

technically speaking, there is no difference except that chords are used for playing rhytm whilst double stops are used for soloing.

At a certain point, you just forget the terminology and - play. However, terminology is useful for communicating with other musicians.

thanks

Marin
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

very nice work marin ,and i love it when you shred sometimes ,even keeping the emotional structure.Thanx!
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

Marinblues said:
technically speaking, there is no difference except that chords are used for playing rhytm whilst double stops are used for soloing.
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While I was looking over the online tutorials, I saw that 2 notes were doubles, 3 notes were triples, and 4 notes were fourths. So, if I do 5 notes at once, (as I often do), is that fifths? I thought the term "fifths" refered to something else.

Sorry Marin. I don't mean to pick your brain . . . but you're my present idol. ;)

Artie
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

as i understand it, and formally speaking, i think that a double stop is not a chord ... afaik, a chord requires 3 or more notes ... two notes sounding togther are an 'interval' ... and the name of the interval is determined by the number of half steps between the two notes ... a 'fourth' is constructed from two notes with a space of 5 half steps in between them ... a fifth is 7 half steps ... etc ...

in my experience, 'double stops' are usually an interval of a 4th and are played with two notes on adjacent strings at the same fret ... so the double stop at the 5th fret on the B and E strings is an interval of a fourth composed of the notes E and A

hope this helps
 
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Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

ArtieToo said:
While I was looking over the online tutorials, I saw that 2 notes were doubles, 3 notes were triples, and 4 notes were fourths. So, if I do 5 notes at once, (as I often do), is that fifths? I thought the term "fifths" refered to something else.

Sorry Marin. I don't mean to pick your brain . . . but you're my present idol. ;)

Artie
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Artie,

simply speaking: a scale has 12 notes. A "5th" is the 5th note in the scale. When people say that you are "playing fourths" it typically means that you are playing the 1st note in the scale (the root) and the 4th (for example. a C with a F).

I am glad to be of some help. cheers

Marin
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

daemon barbeque said:
very nice work marin ,and i love it when you shred sometimes ,even keeping the emotional structure.Thanx!
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thanks deamon.

Emotion is what it (music) is all about. ;)
 
Re: Stuck on this: Marinblues

Three notes that are harmonically arranged are called a triad! This is normally spoken of in the context of major, minor, diminished or augmented triads. They make up your rudimentary chord forms.

From the overtone series we discover that we can leave out the fifth of a chord (ie - CE instead of CEG) and yet the fifth will still be heard by the ear. This is because the fifth is sonically induced by the resonance of the waveforms that exist within the overtone series.

This brings up the issue of double stops. If a double stop is arranged in such a manner that it includes the root and the third then it therefore constitutes a triad, otherwise considered to be a chord, because the overtone series will induce the 5th.
 
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