Stuff about Scales, Keys, modes etc. that I don't get

Re: Stuff about Scales, Keys, modes etc. that I don't get

The way to understand the guitar is to start with scales. The initial question was about understanding scales against chords. By saying you should strictly solo chord by chord as a beginner is hilarious to me.

The first step is to gain full chordal scale relationship knowledge. By knowing this you can easily understand how to make any chord or scale run purely from the formula given.

I solo alot within the chords, but for a beginner and the question he asked this is not necesarry as this is the next step after you fully understand the modes and chord/scale relationship.

soloing within the chords is all well and good but a beginner doesnt stand a chance like this. You need to know what chord you are on and what notes highlight that chord at the drop of a hat, by then the next chord as already come along.

chords like e11/13b9 come along and a beginner would not stand a chance, then am7b5#5 many other jazzy chords from a chord to chord basis a beginner does not need to know this. Look at his question.

soloing within the chords means you need to know what chords are being played. I doubt in a situation that occurs alot in improv where they will say were jamming in G he is gonna be able to pull all the chord tones out his ass specific to each chord cos he will not even know what chords they are playing. Also many of the jazz jams I played in,the rhythm gets choppy and chords move by swiftly and do not linger, only certain progressions let single chords linger.

By knowing scale knowledge in relation to chords and keys this is abolished for beginners and answers his question.

I solo within the chords all the time but I have more knowledge which allows me to.

So to the original poster learn what has been posted here, understand how the chords relate to the scales. This way when you are jamming you dont need to know what chords they are playing more simply what key they are in and you will be able to solo to your hearts content. Flavouring it up with the modes and adding passing tones of your own.
 
Re: Stuff about Scales, Keys, modes etc. that I don't get

U sound just like most guitar players out there, and I'm quite glad that most of them have ur mentality. :)
 
Re: Stuff about Scales, Keys, modes etc. that I don't get

What mentality, I am certainly not a text book player like I see so often. The types of players that sound like they are running through excersizes from a book rather than playing bore the hell out of me. I simply answered the question asked by the poster and disgreed that beginners should solo strictly to the chords thats all.

As I said I mix my playing up, I play within the chords alot and play outside the scales alot as well. I mostly play by ear, I play the notes I hear in my head.

Im not saying dont do what you said but I disagree. As this kind of thing should be learnt after you know more about chords and scales. Its the next step.
 
Re: Stuff about Scales, Keys, modes etc. that I don't get

you may want to poke around at wholenote.com. there's some cool lessons there. I use a book called "Guitar Soloing - The Contemporary Guide to Improvisation," published by the Musician's Institute. It does a good job of discussing this sort of thing. I usually just do it by ear to tell you the truth, and wouldn't be able to write anything of value - I struggle with the same problem myself....
 
Re: Stuff about Scales, Keys, modes etc. that I don't get

Damn... All this stuff really makes me look forward to starting music college in september... :yell:
 
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