Such Kemper, so amaze, wow

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Yep, I got a Kemper. Best of all: I managed to score a used one full of excellent profiles.

Early impression: this thing is the real deal. I have a long history with modellers that ranges from "bleuugrgh" to "hey, that's not bad at all". My home practice & demo rig was Amplitube on my Mac, and it's very nice for that purpose. The Kemper is not "very nice". It doesn't sound like a "close enough" amp rig as most modellers do. It sounds and feels like playing through a real amp mic'd up in a studio.

I emphasize that last point because it is very, very important to understand. The Kemper does not sound like an amp in the room*. It's not supposed to. It mimics an entire recording chain: pedals, amp, cab, microphone(s), mic preamp(s), and post-amp effects. To be completely fair, this is really what every modeller since the beginning of modellers has been doing. The Kemper just does it way, way more convincingly than any other modeller I've tried, and you can work with every part of it in a completely straight-forward, intuitive manner. It truly sounds AND feels like playing through a mic'd amp. Believe the hype.

This is an interesting thing to think about. When you listen to Van Halen I, Led Zeppelin IV, Appetite for Destruction, or any other record, you are hearing a mic'd amp tone. When you listen to a band live in anything larger than a mid-sized club, you are hearing a mic'd amp tone. With very few exceptions, the only time you get to hear an amp-in-the-room tone is when you're playing through your own amp in your own room.

I started off using the built in profiles at my home studio. It was the most fun, best sounding guitar experience I've ever had at home. I then rented/borrowed some recording gear, found a place I could crank my Mark V half stack, and did half a dozen or so profiles of it. I had a friend help me do a Pepsi Challenge with the real amp and the profiles, and on the few times I could even perceive a difference I got it wrong.

The real test was bringing it to rehearsal with the band last night. I ran it straight into the PA. At first it was a bit disorienting because I've spent the past 20 years getting used to an ultra-loud sound cannon blasting guitar at me from one side of the room. After I got accustomed to hearing myself at perfect volume and identical tone (i.e. no treble beam of death or weird volume sink-holes) in every part of the room, I grew to love it. The band was amazed that I was still getting all my usual tones through this rig. To top it off, my set-up/tear-down time was next to nothing.

I have only scratched the surface of what this thing can do. I've only barely tested out the effects and all the crazy ways you can tweak a profile, and I haven't yet done any "serious" recording with it. I'll post more as I go.

If an amp-in-the-room tone is the only thing that does it for you, stick with your tube amp - you'll be much happier.

If, however, you are comfortable with a mic'd amp tone, the ONLY kind of tone you've ever heard from a famous pro guitarist**, I wager the Kemper will make you very happy.

* you can disable cab modelling and send it to a power amp + guitar cab, in which case it will sound pretty much like an amp in a room, but not like any amp that exists in reality.

** unless you are a famous pro guitarist, or are best buds with one
 
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cool! I suspect you will keep your regular amp rig but are considering selling it ;) that sounds perfect for your gig rehearsals and recordings, congrats! :) I would love to get one or the axefx2 but need to save up for like 5 years or so...
 
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Killer dude. I'd love to have one of those for home recording - maybe someday.
 
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cool! I suspect you will keep your regular amp rig but are considering selling it ;) that sounds perfect for your gig rehearsals and recordings, congrats! :) I would love to get one or the axefx2 but need to save up for like 5 years or so...

Once I'm 100% certain I have good profiles of the Mark V, it's going up for sale. I'm not rich enough to own both.

Besides, I powered on the Mark V less than ten times total in 2013. I love it dearly, but it's just not the right tool for the job any more. I had a single electric guitar gig last year, and it happened to be an outdoor gig where the stage volume and physical size wasn't an issue. I'm not in a place right now where I can justify owning a high dollar half stack, and I'm not sure I ever will be again.

I sometimes wonder if stupid loud guitar amps and hammer-handed drummers are part of the reasons the local rock scene has declined so much (there are definitely other reasons, but they're outside the scope of this thread or forum).

The Kemper is so adaptable and sounds so great that I can see it becoming the core of my live rig. All I'd need is a MIDI foot controller, an expression pedal or two, and if the house's monitoring is inadequate, a powered wedge.

For the short term, I bought it for what I mainly do these days: writing and recording in my home studio. It's a big win for that.
 
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sosomething dun got one too. then it opened up a black hole and sucked him in and he was never heard from again. so you have that to look forward to.
 
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Virtual Kervorkian also is a huge proponont of the Kemper.

sosomething dun got one too. then it opened up a black hole and sucked him in and he was never heard from again. so you have that to look forward to.

Their recommendations were what pushed me toward it.

I have a recording session today. I'm bringing the Kemper and the Mark V (since this may be the last chance I get to record it).
 
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I've had a month of time on the Kemper now, so I thought I'd provide a few updates.

Like I said before, it's designed to mimic an entire recording chain. The thing I didn't really touch on is how this comes into play when profiling. I've done two profiling sessions so far. Both were very successful, and I credit that entirely to three key facts:

1. I have access to a good place to do the profiling (an isolated, dead-sounding room where no one minds if I crank a 100W guitar amp).

2. I have access to pro-level recording gear that I know how to use.

3. I have plenty of experience recording guitar amps.

The main thing to know about the Kemper is this: the quality of the profile is directly related to the quality of the sound that comes back into the Kemper. This includes your amp, cables, cab, mic(s), mic placement, mic preamp(s), outboard gear, mixer, and how it's all dialed in. If the Kemper hears an awesome guitar tone, it will profile an awesome guitar tone. If it hears crap, it will profile crap.

My profiling chain is very similar to what I would use to record electric guitar for my band's first album: two mics on the cab through nice pres, summed into one input. The only real difference is that when recording I like to have a soft limiter/compressor going into the DAW, but with the Kemper I leave the signal as uncompressed as possible. For both profiling sessions I've rented an API 3124+ (four API mic pres in a single rack) and a Mackie 1202 VLZ3. I run my mics into the API and use the Mackie to sum them to a single channel for the Kemper. The API pres make all the difference - boosting the gain adds richness and fullness to the signal, not just volume. The Mackie is not all that special - it's main strength is that it does exactly what it's supposed to without clipping the signal or adding noise.

I use two mics on the cab, which vary depending on the amp and what tone I'm going for. I could write a whole huge post on this topic alone. As with guitar recording, mic choice and mic placement are make-or-break factors for profiling. Any time I found a profile lacking in some way, the fix was always, 100% of the time, to move or replace the mic and try again.

You might be reading this and thinking "wow, that's a lot of work just to get a good guitar tone," and you would not be wrong. Here's what you need to keep in mind:

- I don't mind doing this kind of thing; in fact I love it
- The results, to me, are more than worth the effort
- You don't have to make your own profiles if you don't want to!

That last point is especially important. There are literally hundreds of profiles out there, if not thousands, and a lot of them are excellent. Some of them cost money, but a great many don't. The ones that do cost money are usually only a few dollars for a dozen or so very good profiles. I really like the profiles I've made, but I use other people's profiles just as often. A couple of my most used profiles are the free ones that come with the Kemper (or were provided as a free download after the fact).
 
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I've always liked the look of those things and it blew me away when I found they were affordable. When some of the hype died down I questioned whether it could get that close to "the real thing". I'm glad to hear that it can do the mic'd amp sound faithfully and I'm looking forward to hearing what you can do with it (and what other people are going to do in the future with it).
 
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I had one for a bit, but didn't really find any profiles that suited me. What I want to see is a second generation Kemper that has a loadbox built in and samples the amp itself, rather than making you mic it up. Then allows you to use cab IRs afterwards. During the sampling phase, I want it to take a few passes at various points on the knobs, so it can really capture the sound of the amp and what each knob does. There were a lot of profiles where I was like "okay, just need to pull the mids back, add some bass, add some gain, oh wow, that's starting to sound digital.... and I've been able to get good sounds out of ANY modeler.
 
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I guess what's weird is, of the 4-5 people on here that have them, I have yet to hear a clip on here. Let's hear what you are dialing in. I've seen the typical YouTube stuff, now I'd like to hear what the forum bros are doing with these things!
 
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I guess what's weird is, of the 4-5 people on here that have them, I have yet to hear a clip on here. Let's hear what you are dialing in. I've seen the typical YouTube stuff, now I'd like to hear what the forum bros are doing with these things!

I'm gonna be perfectly honest here ...

I don't have a lot of free time, and the thought of spending it recording clips of just guitar for demo-ing gear for which tons of demo clips already exist doesn't interest me at all.

Sorry.

I'll tell you this though: I'm tracking guitars on the band's second album and our singer's solo EP in the next couple months, so I'll gladly share those when they're available.
 
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I had one for a bit, but didn't really find any profiles that suited me. What I want to see is a second generation Kemper that has a loadbox built in and samples the amp itself, rather than making you mic it up. Then allows you to use cab IRs afterwards. During the sampling phase, I want it to take a few passes at various points on the knobs, so it can really capture the sound of the amp and what each knob does. There were a lot of profiles where I was like "okay, just need to pull the mids back, add some bass, add some gain, oh wow, that's starting to sound digital.... and I've been able to get good sounds out of ANY modeler.

Well, if the thought of mic-ing an amp to make a profile doesn't appeal to you, the Kemper is definitely not for you. The whole benefit of the thing is that it CAN capture an entire recording chain, and that's exactly why I love it. I want my cab, mic choices, mic pres, and so on to be part of the profile. Recording an amp direct and tacking some cab model onto it really misses the point IMO. You may as well be using Amplitube or something.

I am really very surprised that out of the hundreds upon hundreds of profiles out there, you weren't able to find any that suited you. That's just ... weird. I have literally 30 or so profiles flagged as favourites, and I'd consider them all usable with zero tweaking.
 
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Well, if the thought of mic-ing an amp to make a profile doesn't appeal to you, the Kemper is definitely not for you. The whole benefit of the thing is that it CAN capture an entire recording chain, and that's exactly why I love it. I want my cab, mic choices, mic pres, and so on to be part of the profile. Recording an amp direct and tacking some cab model onto it really misses the point IMO. You may as well be using Amplitube or something.

I am really very surprised that out of the hundreds upon hundreds of profiles out there, you weren't able to find any that suited you. That's just ... weird. I have literally 30 or so profiles flagged as favourites, and I'd consider them all usable with zero tweaking.

I had one about a year ago, and downloaded every "metal" one out there. There's probably better ones now, as well as the pay ones, but I could get better sounds (for me!) via software, and some of those plugins were free. :D As you said, it's the recorded tone, it has to fit in your mix. I don't say that the Kemper sucks, it's just that it didn't suit my workflow. If I had mic'd amps I wanted to profile, then I'd absolutely grab one. As it is, I run amps into the computer via the FX loop and add power amps and cabs via software.
 
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I am hoping someone will get good modelers of amps with fuzz pedals in front of them

or gnarly keeley modded rats high gain like :)
 
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I really like the idea of the Kemper but a few minutes on the company forum turned me off to doing business with them. At some point I will probably pick one up anyway, the versatility is incredible.
 
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I'm gonna be perfectly honest here ...

I don't have a lot of free time, and the thought of spending it recording clips of just guitar for demo-ing gear for which tons of demo clips already exist doesn't interest me at all.

Sorry.

I'll tell you this though: I'm tracking guitars on the band's second album and our singer's solo EP in the next couple months, so I'll gladly share those when they're available.

I hear ya - that'd be cool to check out!
 
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