Suhr Noiseless systems
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Gearjoneser
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Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
It's one of those inventions that's one of the most brilliant ideas in the history of aftermarket guitar parts. I'm sure even Seymour smacked himself in the head when he saw it.....or not.
It's true you can use any traditional type of single coil strat pickup, but all 3 must have the same polarity/wind direction. That means if you ordered the Suhr system, you'd have to make sure your middle is not rw/rp....just a regular neck pickup.
The first time I saw it being demoed, I was standing next to the owner of Matchless Amps, Phil Jamison, and he was almost angry at himself for not thinking of it first.
Everyone who sees/hears/plays it is blown away by it. All the positions of your strat are virtually silent, with none of the tone robbing properties of noiseless designs. The coil strapped to the backplate on the body cancels out the hum, and you can fine tune it with a mini pot, I believe. It sort of does the same thing as moving your body around, finding the most silent spot....only it's always at that spot!
They're expensive, but if you only had one on your main strat, it'd probably be worth it. You'd have to buy all your pickups with the same polarity, so that'd make it harder to buy/sell them too.
It's one of those inventions that's one of the most brilliant ideas in the history of aftermarket guitar parts. I'm sure even Seymour smacked himself in the head when he saw it.....or not.
It's true you can use any traditional type of single coil strat pickup, but all 3 must have the same polarity/wind direction. That means if you ordered the Suhr system, you'd have to make sure your middle is not rw/rp....just a regular neck pickup.
The first time I saw it being demoed, I was standing next to the owner of Matchless Amps, Phil Jamison, and he was almost angry at himself for not thinking of it first.
Everyone who sees/hears/plays it is blown away by it. All the positions of your strat are virtually silent, with none of the tone robbing properties of noiseless designs. The coil strapped to the backplate on the body cancels out the hum, and you can fine tune it with a mini pot, I believe. It sort of does the same thing as moving your body around, finding the most silent spot....only it's always at that spot!
They're expensive, but if you only had one on your main strat, it'd probably be worth it. You'd have to buy all your pickups with the same polarity, so that'd make it harder to buy/sell them too.
Archer_of_Fish
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Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
Expensive but worth it. I have it on one of my Andersons and it is THE best solution to 60 cycle hum I have ever encountered.
Expensive but worth it. I have it on one of my Andersons and it is THE best solution to 60 cycle hum I have ever encountered.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
FAIR WARNING...
The Backplate System that comes STOCK/PRE INSTALLED in a Suhe guitar works FAR better than the aftermarket system that you can install (or have installed) into a Fender or whatever kind of guitar. Also, even the stock system pre installed into a Suhr guitar doesn't kill ALL of the hum. It kills most of it (more than 50%) but they DO STILL SUFFER FROM 60 CYCLE BUZZ/HUM and just like any single coil pickup it DOES get worse depending on the conditions...dirty power, neon lights, TV's, computers, etc.
I jus have to pass this info on...this is in no way a slam on the Backplate System, it does cut down on noise but in fairness the name (Silent) is a bit misleading. As for the differences in the pre installed system vs the one you can buy aftermarket, im not sure why there are differnces but I know that there are and have even spoken via email with the people at Suhr AND the actual designer of the Backplate System.
Is it a great system...yes
Does it cut down on noise...yes
Is it silent...NO
Is it useful...it all depends on your personal situation
My personal suggestion, if you need a COMPLETELY noiseless Strat get noiseless pickups and be done with it.
FAIR WARNING...
The Backplate System that comes STOCK/PRE INSTALLED in a Suhe guitar works FAR better than the aftermarket system that you can install (or have installed) into a Fender or whatever kind of guitar. Also, even the stock system pre installed into a Suhr guitar doesn't kill ALL of the hum. It kills most of it (more than 50%) but they DO STILL SUFFER FROM 60 CYCLE BUZZ/HUM and just like any single coil pickup it DOES get worse depending on the conditions...dirty power, neon lights, TV's, computers, etc.
I jus have to pass this info on...this is in no way a slam on the Backplate System, it does cut down on noise but in fairness the name (Silent) is a bit misleading. As for the differences in the pre installed system vs the one you can buy aftermarket, im not sure why there are differnces but I know that there are and have even spoken via email with the people at Suhr AND the actual designer of the Backplate System.
Is it a great system...yes
Does it cut down on noise...yes
Is it silent...NO
Is it useful...it all depends on your personal situation
My personal suggestion, if you need a COMPLETELY noiseless Strat get noiseless pickups and be done with it.
Archer_of_Fish
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Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
The aftermarket system is the same as the one that comes on factory model instruments.
On the Xotic effects website Scott Henderson does a demo of the backplate system....it is amazing.
The aftermarket system is the same as the one that comes on factory model instruments.
On the Xotic effects website Scott Henderson does a demo of the backplate system....it is amazing.
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the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
A buddy of mine bought the aftermarket backplate system and had it professionally installed, while it did cut down on the noise it was still noisy, after emailing tech support at Suhr I was contacted by the actual designer of the Backplate system and told that there IS a difference between the aftermarket Backplate system and the one that comes factory installed in a Suhr guitar, I was also told that NEITHER of the Blackplate systems cut out 100% of the noise, he also told me that the factory installed system DOES cut out more noise and his only suggestion for cutting out any more noise on the system we were having issues with was to simply add more shielding.
None of what I said was a slam on the Backplate System, it is really a neat thing and does help a lot but everything in my earlier post is true and correct...I can't find my emails from Suhr on this subject but if I do find them I will post them.
A buddy of mine bought the aftermarket backplate system and had it professionally installed, while it did cut down on the noise it was still noisy, after emailing tech support at Suhr I was contacted by the actual designer of the Backplate system and told that there IS a difference between the aftermarket Backplate system and the one that comes factory installed in a Suhr guitar, I was also told that NEITHER of the Blackplate systems cut out 100% of the noise, he also told me that the factory installed system DOES cut out more noise and his only suggestion for cutting out any more noise on the system we were having issues with was to simply add more shielding.
None of what I said was a slam on the Backplate System, it is really a neat thing and does help a lot but everything in my earlier post is true and correct...I can't find my emails from Suhr on this subject but if I do find them I will post them.
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
There is a lot of ads concerning 60 Hz noise that claim to eliminate it...
However, none on 50 Hz which also exist in electrical circuits in countries other than USA...
The Suhr systems does a fair job and is better than most "Noise Reduction Solutions" out there.
However, electrical interference is often generated by a mixture of harmonics at multiples of 50/60 Hz (e.g. 100Hz, 150 Hz, 200 Hz).
No guitar pickup system eliminates all harmonics especially complex spikes generated by dimmers and fluorescent lamps or noise associated with inadequate grounding, ground loops, and electrical pick up. Those freaking BAR BEER lights are the worst!
For those who actually know - even humbuckers pickup 50Hz and 60Hz noise and that junk caused by flourescent lights. If you do not believe me, then turn the amp up and listen!
There is a lot of ads concerning 60 Hz noise that claim to eliminate it...
However, none on 50 Hz which also exist in electrical circuits in countries other than USA...
The Suhr systems does a fair job and is better than most "Noise Reduction Solutions" out there.
However, electrical interference is often generated by a mixture of harmonics at multiples of 50/60 Hz (e.g. 100Hz, 150 Hz, 200 Hz).
No guitar pickup system eliminates all harmonics especially complex spikes generated by dimmers and fluorescent lamps or noise associated with inadequate grounding, ground loops, and electrical pick up. Those freaking BAR BEER lights are the worst!
For those who actually know - even humbuckers pickup 50Hz and 60Hz noise and that junk caused by flourescent lights. If you do not believe me, then turn the amp up and listen!
Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
good to know... while i was looking at the Back plate i found out from the store guy it's $400 Canadian!!!! In the same locked up cabnet they had a new set of Fender Noiseless PU's for $145...
good to know... while i was looking at the Back plate i found out from the store guy it's $400 Canadian!!!! In the same locked up cabnet they had a new set of Fender Noiseless PU's for $145...
Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
i've been doing some research on the net about this system, and on Suhr's site it says that the backplate works better with Strat UP's with an output of 6-8... i have a set of Fender 57 reissue PU's with a none-reversed middle PU but i believe the output is below 6 on them... so if i understand it i'd have to buy new PU's at whatever expense, and the Back Plate is $400 here.... it sounds costly...
i may just have to buy a whole Suhr guitar oneday!
i've been doing some research on the net about this system, and on Suhr's site it says that the backplate works better with Strat UP's with an output of 6-8... i have a set of Fender 57 reissue PU's with a none-reversed middle PU but i believe the output is below 6 on them... so if i understand it i'd have to buy new PU's at whatever expense, and the Back Plate is $400 here.... it sounds costly...
i may just have to buy a whole Suhr guitar oneday!
KeeperOS
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Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
Ok, here's the deal.
The system factory installed in the Suhr is mostly the same.
However what DOES change is that EVERY factory installed system is custom tailored for those SPECIFIC pickups going in the guitar while with the aftermarket backplate you can only get an approximation.
If you were for instance to try and swap pickups later in one of those guitars there's a good chance the results would be similar with the aftermarket backplate.
ALSO, it needs A LOT of fine tweaking to get it right while it'll NEVER be perfect if the 3 pickups are very different in DC/output since tweaking the backplate for ONE of them would result in getting it too far away from the sweet spot of the other two...
BTW, PROPERLY shielding the guitar and all wiring nods helps IMMENSELY (just like without the backplate).
Ok, here's the deal.
The system factory installed in the Suhr is mostly the same.
However what DOES change is that EVERY factory installed system is custom tailored for those SPECIFIC pickups going in the guitar while with the aftermarket backplate you can only get an approximation.
If you were for instance to try and swap pickups later in one of those guitars there's a good chance the results would be similar with the aftermarket backplate.
ALSO, it needs A LOT of fine tweaking to get it right while it'll NEVER be perfect if the 3 pickups are very different in DC/output since tweaking the backplate for ONE of them would result in getting it too far away from the sweet spot of the other two...
BTW, PROPERLY shielding the guitar and all wiring nods helps IMMENSELY (just like without the backplate).
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
If anybody wants to know more info aobut this system feel free to email the tech support at Suhr and get the fulll details, they were all very helpful with me when I emailed them and even got me in touch with the actual designer of the backplate system.
If anybody wants to know more info aobut this system feel free to email the tech support at Suhr and get the fulll details, they were all very helpful with me when I emailed them and even got me in touch with the actual designer of the backplate system.
KeeperOS
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Re: Suhr Noiseless systems
Necrothread.
Well, the system was never Suhr's, it was licensed from ilitch electronics who are now selling it themselves (and AFAICT use Lindy Fralin for distribution).
Suhr now have their own proprietary system which is not a backplate or pickguard but they will not install it in any non-Suhr guitar and will not sell as an after-market product (they will however accept a Suhr guitar to retrofit it themselves).
Necrothread.
Well, the system was never Suhr's, it was licensed from ilitch electronics who are now selling it themselves (and AFAICT use Lindy Fralin for distribution).
Suhr now have their own proprietary system which is not a backplate or pickguard but they will not install it in any non-Suhr guitar and will not sell as an after-market product (they will however accept a Suhr guitar to retrofit it themselves).
