this seems like it maybe cool but Im a total new guy to mod ideas
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Sustainer idea ?
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octavedoctor
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Re: Sustainer idea ?
This is one of those ideas that seems good but has some built in limitations. The idea seems to be to feedback the signal to the neck pickup by coupling it acoustically to the transducer, but this won't have any effect on the ongoing sustain of the string...
But it's amazing what works sometimes. A few years ago someone produced a device for reducing ski vibration by feeding an inverted signal from a transducer in the ski to an electrically sensitive piezo layer. Seemed flawed like perpetual motion but damn me if it didn't work like a dream! Be interesting to see if it works. I'm betting it just produces uncontrollable feedback.
This is one of those ideas that seems good but has some built in limitations. The idea seems to be to feedback the signal to the neck pickup by coupling it acoustically to the transducer, but this won't have any effect on the ongoing sustain of the string...
But it's amazing what works sometimes. A few years ago someone produced a device for reducing ski vibration by feeding an inverted signal from a transducer in the ski to an electrically sensitive piezo layer. Seemed flawed like perpetual motion but damn me if it didn't work like a dream! Be interesting to see if it works. I'm betting it just produces uncontrollable feedback.
krankguitarist
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Re: Sustainer idea ?
If anybody's tried this, I'm interested in it as well. might be kindof a cool mod for one of my axes...
If anybody's tried this, I'm interested in it as well. might be kindof a cool mod for one of my axes...
octavedoctor
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Re: Sustainer idea ?
I don't know; I just remember seeing it on a TV programme about new inventions.
It reminded me of the Arthur C Clarke story about a guy who invents a box that cancels sound. It's a mike/amp/speaker combination which picks up sound, then puts out an inverted signal that makes everything go silent. In the end it explodes because the sound energy has to go somewhere and of course it goes into the box until it overloads.
I scoffed, obviously, because that kind of absolute cancellation can't work in reality in an acoustic environment, can it?
Then a car manufacturer (Ferrari, I think) used the exact same principle to reduce engine noise in the the car's interior...
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I don't know; I just remember seeing it on a TV programme about new inventions.
It reminded me of the Arthur C Clarke story about a guy who invents a box that cancels sound. It's a mike/amp/speaker combination which picks up sound, then puts out an inverted signal that makes everything go silent. In the end it explodes because the sound energy has to go somewhere and of course it goes into the box until it overloads.
I scoffed, obviously, because that kind of absolute cancellation can't work in reality in an acoustic environment, can it?
Then a car manufacturer (Ferrari, I think) used the exact same principle to reduce engine noise in the the car's interior...
Willis
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Re: Sustainer idea ?
You might want to check this thread out too
http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=7512
You might want to check this thread out too
http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=7512
Hellion
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Re: Sustainer idea ?
Sound cancellation technology is in use as we speak. There are headphones that pilots wear that are noise cancelling. They take the extraneous noise and transmit it out of phase so that you don't hear anything except the intended signal. Humbucking pickups work on the same sort of principle.
octavedoctor said:
Sound cancellation technology is in use as we speak. There are headphones that pilots wear that are noise cancelling. They take the extraneous noise and transmit it out of phase so that you don't hear anything except the intended signal. Humbucking pickups work on the same sort of principle.
Re: Sustainer idea ?
Hi there...
Just came across this forum and checked out a search on sustainers...
While Ansil's Sustainer is in fact a bit (lot) dubious I can assure you that infinite sustain is possible and you may wish to check out this...
Let me introduce myself...I am psw from Project Guitar and "host" of the sustainer thread.
I can assure you that infinite clean, ebow like sustain is possible in a DIY format...
This is my Sustainer Strat...Mod testing Guitar.
And here's the driver/pickup taken apart...
It can be made also as a separate driver.
Basically it is as you describe, the same principle as Sustainiac or Fernandes Sustainer. The contribution I have made is to focus on driver design rather than complicated circuitry. All sustainers eat batteries I'm afraid...the circuit is a pre-amp/power amp and the driver is about 3mm thick and is the blue part of the above pickup. The circuit is very small and easy to make, as is the driver.
The above is unique in that it is a standard passive single coil that works as normal when the sustainer is off. Everyone else has made the driver as a separate device.
The LM386 circuit is just a simple and cheap solution to the circuit but I'm reviewing this with a view of getting a little more power out of it and better battery consumption. It is the nature of the beast that it will churn through batteries every week or so, but you can use a rechargable.
I have a new design in mind that includes the driver (a new design) and circuit (also new) in a humbucker package to kind of drop in...so more development is still to come.
As it is, it is a very do-able DIY project and a lot of fun to play. There are various sound bites...here's a link to some...just to show it works...
http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=17852&hl=sustainer+sounds
and here's a link to a tutorial...
http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=16984&st=0
and here's a link to the main thread
http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=7512&pid=245855&st=1110&#entry245855
This thread is very BIG...75 pages long, 1000+ contributions and over 32,500 visits!!! The above link will take you to page 75 and I'd suggest not trying to read the whole thing but just tag along on the end. Feel free to join up and contribute....4real AKA psw AKA pete Melbourne, Australia
Hi there...
Just came across this forum and checked out a search on sustainers...
While Ansil's Sustainer is in fact a bit (lot) dubious I can assure you that infinite sustain is possible and you may wish to check out this...
Let me introduce myself...I am psw from Project Guitar and "host" of the sustainer thread.
Hmmm...thems fighting words there...
I can assure you that infinite clean, ebow like sustain is possible in a DIY format...
This is my Sustainer Strat...Mod testing Guitar.
And here's the driver/pickup taken apart...
It can be made also as a separate driver.
Basically it is as you describe, the same principle as Sustainiac or Fernandes Sustainer. The contribution I have made is to focus on driver design rather than complicated circuitry. All sustainers eat batteries I'm afraid...the circuit is a pre-amp/power amp and the driver is about 3mm thick and is the blue part of the above pickup. The circuit is very small and easy to make, as is the driver.
The above is unique in that it is a standard passive single coil that works as normal when the sustainer is off. Everyone else has made the driver as a separate device.
The LM386 circuit is just a simple and cheap solution to the circuit but I'm reviewing this with a view of getting a little more power out of it and better battery consumption. It is the nature of the beast that it will churn through batteries every week or so, but you can use a rechargable.
I have a new design in mind that includes the driver (a new design) and circuit (also new) in a humbucker package to kind of drop in...so more development is still to come.
As it is, it is a very do-able DIY project and a lot of fun to play. There are various sound bites...here's a link to some...just to show it works...
http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=17852&hl=sustainer+sounds
and here's a link to a tutorial...
http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=16984&st=0
and here's a link to the main thread
http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=7512&pid=245855&st=1110&#entry245855
This thread is very BIG...75 pages long, 1000+ contributions and over 32,500 visits!!! The above link will take you to page 75 and I'd suggest not trying to read the whole thing but just tag along on the end. Feel free to join up and contribute....4real AKA psw AKA pete Melbourne, Australia
V-Spot
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Re: Sustainer idea ?
Yes...and your point is?
I just thought that member's here may be interested in DIY sustianers as origonally posted. Fernandes also makes a good commercial system but both require a fair bit of instalation and are a little pricey...hope other's find the post of use...
Yes...and your point is?
I just thought that member's here may be interested in DIY sustianers as origonally posted. Fernandes also makes a good commercial system but both require a fair bit of instalation and are a little pricey...hope other's find the post of use...
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