Sustainer pickup systems? Useful or gimmick??

BloodRose

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Never played one and always been curious. I can DEF see how they could be useful in certain settings, but is it something that would get alot of use or is it a maybe one song a set gimmick?? And, how does it sound as a regular pickup??

I ask because, again, Ive always been curious, and second, I love this new Schecter that has one!

http://www.schecterguitars.com/guitars/e-1-fr-s-special-edition-detail

The site doesnt show it in black stain, but I saw Jake from BVB playing a black one that was stunning!
 
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It is a gimmick but if you crave using it, it's available and attainable. If you need that singing feedback, you can now have it for a moderate price and be one happy camper. Personally, I don't need it, I'd rather just crank it up.

It is what it is - a tool. Depending on how you use it, the results will be amazing or not quite. Yes the sustainiac is cool indeed but don't expect it'll make you **** rainbows. As a pickup, it sounds more or less like an active stack, except it'll chew through batteries 20 times faster than an EMG.
 
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I have a few Jackson PC-1 guitars and one Neptune era Kramer Sustainer.

for my purposes, about 99% gimmick. it would be handy for an e-bow effect or some other specific need for a long sustained note or chord. however, the Jackson, for example, have so much inherent sustain that I just keep the batteries out of them.

Phil Collen claims to use his for his lead work, so there's that to consider.


 
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Cool to have and fun for literally sustaining the end of a song as long as needed (or as long as the battery lasts lol) with awesome harmonic effects and use of the tremolo....but that's the only use I found for it. So I will also say gimmick.
 
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I don't think that such a simple feedback device could stably sustain a chord.
 
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I don't think that such a simple feedback device could stably sustain a chord.

It's worked fine for me, when I opted to use it for that purpose.

When looking for the video that I did post, at least one of them had a section where he did just that.
 
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Depends on the player... It's just another tool.

 
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It's useful and a gimmick. I've played the Sustainia and Fernandes Sustainer as well as the one installed in the Jackson PC-1. Of the three, the Jackson sustainer is the best by more than a mile. It sounds the best as a pickup and seems to be the most controllable. The remaining two work essentially the same as a sustainer, but the Sustainiac sounds better as a pickup.
 
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Thanks! Yeah, I figure its more a gimmick.. didn't figure it would be something that one cant live without or anything. Just wondered if it is remotely useful for flavor . So, yeah, pretty much answers my question.. Thanks
 
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It's best used for effects like a sustained background note/drone, where you're not moving around the neck, otherwise you're simply killing the string by the time the sustainer has it oscillating.

I think Phil used it on Love Bites for a long sustained underlying "string pad" type effect, or one of their other ballads?

Whenever you change frets, you're basically making the string vibrate anyway, and it's absolutely useless for shredding because the string doesn't stay still long enough for it to kick in, except at the tail end of a long solo, and that's only if you're such a showboat that you need that final note to remain clear and loud well into the verse following the solo, and if your guitar and amp are such junk that you can't get decent sustain without it turning to a squeal.

And yes, I do have the Sustainiac.

However, the more useful function of it in my experience is the Harmonic mode, which causes sustained notes to degenerate to their fundamental harmonic more quickly, which can add a more organic feel to your solos and riffs. However, once again this is better with slower, melodic lines than outright arpeggiated Speed Metal.

If your guitar's fixed bridge also had lever arms on it for pedal steel effects, and you had a slide, then the sustain effect would be more useful, but even then it just saves you the hassle of picking every single note.
 
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Dunno, I hear Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp use theirs as a genuinely different way to approach playing. I suppose if all you do is use it to sustain the last note on a Big Rock Solo, it is a gimmick, though. Currently, I use an Ebow a lot for textural playing. Add a delay and looper and I am busy for hours.
 
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It's best used for effects like a sustained background note/drone, where you're not moving around the neck, otherwise you're simply killing the string by the time the sustainer has it oscillating.

I think Phil used it on Love Bites for a long sustained underlying "string pad" type effect, or one of their other ballads?

Whenever you change frets, you're basically making the string vibrate anyway, and it's absolutely useless for shredding because the string doesn't stay still long enough for it to kick in, except at the tail end of a long solo, and that's only if you're such a showboat that you need that final note to remain clear and loud well into the verse following the solo, and if your guitar and amp are such junk that you can't get decent sustain without it turning to a squeal.

And yes, I do have the Sustainiac.

However, the more useful function of it in my experience is the Harmonic mode, which causes sustained notes to degenerate to their fundamental harmonic more quickly, which can add a more organic feel to your solos and riffs. However, once again this is better with slower, melodic lines than outright arpeggiated Speed Metal.

If your guitar's fixed bridge also had lever arms on it for pedal steel effects, and you had a slide, then the sustain effect would be more useful, but even then it just saves you the hassle of picking every single note.



seems the PC1 came around in the mid-90s. he said something like he uses it now for parts he used to use for an e-bow (probably that Love Bites song, and definitely for the Gods Of War into). he says he uses it for all his solos, which I agree with you on being a waste when shredding.

the newer ones in the Jacksons are FAR superior to the one I have in the old Kramer Sustainer model, which can be a little finicky and seems to trigger a bit unevenly - preferring certain strings and neck positions over others. but the Kramer is a bit of a rarity and I've kept it bone stock.
 
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The few times I've tried one, I liked it a lot. The big downside is you have to give up your neck pu, or at least one you really like, so I never went for it.
 
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Yeah Zhang, Ive thought about em a time or two ,but didn't want to sacrifice my pickup options. But just thinking if I could afford the extra guitar with that feature....

might be cool to play with. Fripp and Belew are otherworldly anyhow.. So, don't even try to wrap my noggin around what they do...
 
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seems the PC1 came around in the mid-90s. he said something like he uses it now for parts he used to use for an e-bow (probably that Love Bites song, and definitely for the Gods Of War into). he says he uses it for all his solos, which I agree with you on being a waste when shredding.

the newer ones in the Jacksons are FAR superior to the one I have in the old Kramer Sustainer model, which can be a little finicky and seems to trigger a bit unevenly - preferring certain strings and neck positions over others. but the Kramer is a bit of a rarity and I've kept it bone stock.

If I'm not mistaken, the PC-1 uses an updated version of the original Floyd Rose unit found in the old Kramers, and given Phil's history with the Jackson Custom Shop, it's not unreasonable to assume he had one of those put in a CS Soloist or Dinky before the PC-1 came about.

Then again, if he says he used an e-bow, an e-bow it was.


I'm sure Belew and Fripp can find amazing things to do with one in the context of what they play, but then again they've been doing that for decades with the same guitars anyone can buy off the shelf, so exceptions are not the rule.
I did say it could be used for more than the last note of a solo or a short riff, it's just the average user will only have that use for it.

A looping unit would be of more benefit if you wanted a rhythmic pattern to repeat infinitely, since, as I said before, the string's oscillation changes as soon as you change frets unless you're using a slide with a mute behind it to prevent your motion from causing it to vibrate. If you hammer-on, you trigger the string. If you pull-off, you trigger the string. If you slide from one fretted note to another, you trigger the string. If you move in any way from one note to another aside from depressing or lifting a pivoting bridge's bar or moving a frictionless slide on the string, you interrupt the sustain device's effect on the string. This is an inherent property of the string and the unit.
If you had a tapped sequence, say the intro to Van Halen's version of Dancing In The Streets, a sustain unit would not help with that since you're triggering the notes each time you attack the string or move to a different fret, or even perform a pinch harmonic along different positions of the string while fretting one note continuously.

If you wanted to use it to play around with the various harmonics on a given string using only the influence of the device, and not stopping the string completely at any time, you could only go from low to high, because each time you go to a higher pitch, returning to a lower pitch gets increasingly difficult.
 
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I also believe the current sustainers are derivatives of the original first one. I read an article or two about it and even found the guy. He confirmed that part via email and then never replied to a follow up. Guessed he was tired of people asking about it or maybe NDAs.
 
Re: Sustainer pickup systems? Useful or gimmick??

Yeah Zhang, Ive thought about em a time or two ,but didn't want to sacrifice my pickup options. But just thinking if I could afford the extra guitar with that feature....

might be cool to play with. Fripp and Belew are otherworldly anyhow.. So, don't even try to wrap my noggin around what they do...

*I* don't get what Fripp and Belew are doing, but I can be influenced by their ability to look at a technology and use it for a different purpose than it was intended. I am not saying I always achieve it, but I certainly try to take a pedal, pickup, etc, and try to stumble upon sounds I haven't heard anymore.
 
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Hmm.. my post from earlier isnt showing. I finally got to check out the Vai vid. VEry cool!
 
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