Talk to me About Mesa Boogie Rectifier amps

[uOpt]

Re: Talk to me About Mesa Boogie Rectifier amps

There are big difference between Rectos, too. I have one of those that is still a rec-to-verb which isn't like the later ones.

If you really care about amps, I recommend carefully evaluating what you have, recording in controlled environment (speaker simulator), trying a few tube variants, and then starting to flip a couple high-gain heads on ebay, always keeping whatever is your current squeeze at that point. Annoying but necessary.

 

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MORE distortion - None. They're all more or less the same. If you want MORE, the answer is to boost with the Maxon OD808.

tighter bass - Triple Rectifier. Recommend the newer Multi-Watt version. Combine it with the OD808 for even more tightness.

darker sound - "Darker" in Recto speak usually means smoother and they're usually favoured by rock players. Brighter usually means more aggressive and they're usually favoured by metal players.

You sure you want darker?

I guess i expressed myself wrong. when i say dark, i mean NOT SMooth, but more BASS. and TIGHT Bass , not flabby bass. Q: p
SO, theres no difference in the amount of gain among the recto solo head, the roadking, the roadster and the tremoverb?!

 

[some_dude]

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A recto will give you a big bottom end. It's tightness depends a lot on your pickup selection and right hand technique. It's not as forgiving in this regard as a more compressed amp. Some people compensate by boosting with a tubescreamer to tighten up their pickups and add more compression.

 

[BloodRose]

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When I think tri recs I think Kim K, j lo and others. Big bottom.. I used to think i really wanted a tri rec.. Until I actually played a couple of Mesas (not played a tri rec tho) I couldnt get a tone I liked to save my life.. Now in all fairness, Ive read posts since then that state you have to take some time to dial em in. So, Im not throwing any barbs at the brand. I didnt have time to twiddle much with them. And, in honesty, Im not a great player either.

JP, send me the 5150III and Ill send you my PV Ultra plus!!!! Its a killer amp and you would be going from that puny little 50watts to 120 speaker slamming watts! just sayin

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

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The gain in all of them is about the same. If there is a difference it's likely due to the preamp tubes. If you're looking for more gain because a Recto isn't as compressed as the 5150 you're not going to find it without boosting it. The relative lack of compression is part of its sound, but it can make them more difficult to play if you're used to them. They reward having a sledgehammer for a right hand.

The Roadster and Rectoverb tend to be darker, probably do to the additional circuitry from the reverb tank. Regular Rectos tend to be brighter. 50w models are a bit more midrangy without the low end depth of the 100w or 150w models. I've never played a 3 channel or a 25w model and can't comment on them beyond saying that they're generally brighter than the 2 channels.

I find Rectos sound a little dull if they have all stock JJs preamp tubes. Putting a Tung Sol or EHX in the V1 position opens it up the top end a bit.

MORE distortion - None. They're all more or less the same. If you want MORE, the answer is to boost with the Maxon OD808.

tighter bass - Triple Rectifier. Recommend the newer Multi-Watt version. Combine it with the OD808 for even more tightness.

darker sound - "Darker" in Recto speak usually means smoother and they're usually favoured by rock players. Brighter usually means more aggressive and they're usually favoured by metal players.

You sure you want darker?

There was a mint cond 2X12 Roadster in my version of ''Craigslist'' for $1700.00 (good price for this country).

I thought about it . . . and did not buy it.

I HOPE i will not regret this.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

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My main amp is a Roadster, I have an Electra Dyne I use when I want to go more old school and I have a 2 channel Recto I keep as a backup.

Sold my Mark V last week.

W O W . . . did not see that one coming !!!

 

[some_dude]

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W O W . . . did not see that one coming !!!

After 5+ years (mine was serial number 300) I found myself trying to move a different direction and it didn't want to move with me. Selling it was like getting rid of a girlfriend who you don't really hate but you're just not into anymore. A clean break was for the best.

 

[chadd]

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I guess i expressed myself wrong. when i say dark, i mean NOT SMooth, but more BASS. and TIGHT Bass , not flabby bass. Q: p
SO, theres no difference in the amount of gain among the recto solo head, the roadking, the roadster and the tremoverb?!

If you want a really tight low end, maybe a Mark series amp would be a better choice. To get a tight bottom end on a Recto, higher output pickups, or a boost, are the best ways to get that (as was previously mentioned).

 

[El Dunco]

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A recto will give you a big bottom end. It's tightness depends a lot on your pickup selection and right hand technique. It's not as forgiving in this regard as a more compressed amp. Some people compensate by boosting with a tubescreamer to tighten up their pickups and add more compression.

I find the bass tracks pretty tightly and isn't flabby to my ears, even without a boost. It's true that it's not a forgiving amplifier but that makes it all the more worth it to work with it and become a better player to get that sound out of it.

 

[some_dude]

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I find the bass tracks pretty tightly and isn't flabby to my ears, even without a boost. It's true that it's not a forgiving amplifier but that makes it all the more worth it to work with it and become a better player to get that sound out of it.

I agree. I personally think a lot of people have a weak right hand and blame the amp for it, but people typically get mad when I say it so I usually just recommend an OD808 and everyone walks away happy.

 

[El Dunco]

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I agree. I personally think a lot of people have a weak right hand and blame the amp for it, but people typically get mad when I say it so I usually just recommend an OD808 and everyone walks away happy.

*hobbles up on a walking stick* What happened to the good old days when a guitar player could be standing next to a mountain and chop it down with the edge of their hand?

 

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https://youtu.be/7-oaPrp-hC0
Enough right hand for you guys?! ahahahahahah

 

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Re: Talk to me About Mesa Boogie Rectifier amps

Im thinking about getting a MARSHALL JMP1 Rack system + a POWER AMp(need to figure out which one will tgive the marshall more tightness and bass to couple with marshalls brightness and mids)

 

[dystrust]

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Im thinking about getting a MARSHALL JMP1 Rack system + a POWER AMp(need to figure out which one will tgive the marshall more tightness and bass to couple with marshalls brightness and mids)

Based on your signature and that video I'm assuming that you're into pretty hardcore metal. Rack systems tend to work great for that style, but a JMP-1 doesn't have all that much gain and is more suited to classic metal (like Iron Maiden). Taking a further step back, you need to ask yourself if you're prepared for the complication, expense, and weight of a rack system. Being located in Brazil the biggest issues will probably be a combination of expense and rarity; I'll price a few sample systems in USD to illustrate.

Excellent rack system:
Preamp(2U): CAE 3+SE ~$1500
Poweramp(2U): Fryette 2/90/2 ~$1500
Effects(1U): TC G-Major 2 ~$300
Switcher(1U): Voodoo Lab GCX / Ground Control Pro ~$500
Power(1U): Furman PL8 ~$100
Rack Case: Mesa/Boogie SUS4 10U ~$400

Cheap (but still decent) rack system:
Preamp(2U): Soldano SP-77 or Mesa/Boogie Studio Preamp ~$500
Poweramp(2U): Mesa/Boogie 50/50 ~$500
Effects(1U): TC G-Major 2 ~$300
Foot Controller: Rocktron Midimate ~$100
Power(1U): Furman PL8 ~$100
Rack Case: SKB Roto 8U ~$200

You're looking at around $1,500 for the entry-level system or just over $4,000 for the higher end one without cabinets or cabling. Keep in mind that many of those prices are for used gear and may end up being much higher where you're located. You'd also need at least two speaker cabinets, and the smaller rack case fully loaded would likely weight around 30kg; 50kg for the bigger one. In short a rack system can be an amazing rig, but it probably isn't worth it unless you have deep pockets and your own road crew.

I hate to rain on your parade here, but we could probably be more helpful if you explained what it is that you don't like about your 5150III. You may end up being better served by keeping the amp and swapping cabinets, or maybe adding a boost.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

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Im thinking about getting a MARSHALL JMP1 Rack system + a POWER AMp(need to figure out which one will tgive the marshall more tightness and bass to couple with marshalls brightness and mids)

Just remember the JMP1 is not a very high gain unit.

I always liked the Engl E530 myself.



EDIT : OK, dystrust said it before me !

 

[chadd]

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Just remember the JMP1 is not a very high gain unit.

I always liked the Engl E530 myself.



EDIT : OK, dystrust said it before me !

I've always liked the Mesa TriAxis.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

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I've always liked the Mesa TriAxis.

I know very little about those.
Are they like a Recto-in-a-rack ? . . . or more Mark voiced ?

 

[dystrust]

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I know very little about those.
Are they like a Recto-in-a-rack ? . . . or more Mark voiced ?

I'm not familiar with the newest (V3), but the V2 was definitely Mark-voiced by default. They offered a 'fat mod' that made the Recto settings sound more like a Recto, but it messed up the Mark voicings IMO. Honestly I like the Recto channels of the unmodded V2 Triaxis better than an actual Recto, but I'm a Marshall guy so keep that in mind.

 

[chadd]

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I'm not familiar with the newest (V3), but the V2 was definitely Mark-voiced by default. They offered a 'fat mod' that made the Recto settings sound more like a Recto, but it messed up the Mark voicings IMO. Honestly I like the Recto channels of the unmodded V2 Triaxis better than an actual Recto, but I'm a Marshall guy so keep that in mind.

I've never heard the V3, the only ones I used were early production models.

 

[El Dunco]

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https://youtu.be/7-oaPrp-hC0
Enough right hand for you guys?! ahahahahahah

Hell yeah it is. Great song. Anyway, the point pretty much if you have that kind of right hand, you can coax tightness out of any quality high gain amp and then the rest is up to your preference of timbre. Have you tried out a Fryette Pitbull? I bet you anything that has all the characteristics you want. It was the go to modern rock/metal amp in the late 90s and early 00s.