Taming the Nazgul?

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Recently I picked up a Schecter KM-6 Mk II, Keith Merrow signature model. Other than the somewhat boring (for metal!) natural satin finish, it's really an excellent, well-designed and well-built guitar. At least for me personally, I'm tired of the "metal = black" trend, and I like the natural wood finish for it's somewhat understated appearance. My only quibble is with the pickups which come stock with it, and specifically the Nazgul. (I will digress a bit and say that, so far, the Sentient doesn't do it for me either. I have used and liked the Jazz and 59, and although the Sentient is supposed to have the good qualities of both, it seems a little bland. I'll probably throw an A-2 or A-4 in it and see what happens.)

My "benchmark" bridge pickups have been either the Custom-8, or Distortion. Normally, I'd probably just buy another 59/Distortion set for this guitar, BUT... this is the second $1000-dollar guitar I've bought in just the last three weeks! (The other one is also a Schecter, the Banshee Elite-6. The KM is pretty nice but I absolutely LOVE that Banshee! Happy NGD, to meee! :9:) Anyway, the budget is blown and any additional purchases will have me in the doghouse with Wifey. :O So I thought it prudent to at least try a mag swap and see if that does the trick.

The Nazgul seems pretty good at what it's designed for, down-tuned metal, but more often I'm playing anything from 70's and 80's rock and metal to modern rock and alternative; things like Ted Nugent, Dokken, Alice In Chains, and Metallica to maybe Seether, Mudvayne or Killswitch Engage. The Distortion worked pretty well for a lot of that stuff when I had one in my Jackson, so if there's a magnet swap that might bring the Nazgul closer to that, I'm game to try it. I'll be keeping the KM in E-flat and maybe drop-C at times. To me, (and especially compared to the Custom-8), the Nazgul just seems too tight, kind of dry like you hear all the individual strings in a chord, yet the chord itself lacks the powerful cohesive, full sound of the Custom-8 (or what I recall from the Distortion). Plus the Nazgul has kind of a clankiness to it, kind of hypersensitive to every minute touch of the pick. Adjusting EQ settings on the amp helps, but there's only so much my little HT-5 can do!

I have a pretty decent assortment of magnets to experiment with, but I'd rather not do an endless series of mag swaps on this thing. So I'd like to start with an educated guess, which is where all of YOUR voices of experience come in! I have RCA2, A2, A3, RCA4, A5, UOA5, RCA5, double-thickness A5, ceramic from a Custom, and A8. Now, I did once try an A8 in the Distortion, but ended up going back to the regular ceramic Distortion after all, so I'm a little leery of the A8 in a Nazgul, but I think an A5 of some kind, or an A8, would be a good starting point. My plan is to do a swap with my next string change. Ultimately the experiment costs nothing, and it's always kind of fun anyway. So, what are your recommendations? Thanks!
 
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Do have another amp? I found the HT5 completely misrepresented every pickup in every guitar I owned.
 
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The HT-5R is all I have right now and in the forseeable future. However, I've upgraded the stock speaker to a Vintage 30, and have replaced the Sovtek preamp tube with a TungSol. If anything it has has more gain than is usable, but it sounds decent. If I play both guitars back to back, A/B, it's easy to tell them apart. (For what it's worth, that seems a more honest comparison than trying to listen to a bunch of sound clips on YouTube as a means of choosing a pickup!).

But it is what it is, my LAST amp was a modeler, (Roland Cube 60), which to me completely took away any sort of distinction from one pickup to another. I'm trying to make do by spending -zero- dollars on a mag swap, not spend -more- money on another amp! :P
But even with the Blackstar, I'd bet the average listener could still tell the difference between what they did or didn't like about the Nazgul, compared to other pickups. But thank you for the suggestion.

I was kind of hoping that, with the length of time that the Nazgul has been out, *somebody* on this forum would've modified one by now...
 
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I'd start with the double thick A5, then RCA5 if that didn't do it.

If the RCA5 doesn't do it, then RCA4 if you want more even mids, UOA5 if you want softer attack.

The A8 would shave off ceramic bite/high end, but I don't think it'd fix clanky mids. However, I can't recall anyone using one in a Nazgul, and different pickups do sometimes interact uniquely with different magnets.

I don't think a different ceramic is likely to bring it where you want.
 
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Thanks Despair, i appreciate your detailed response. Yea I definitely want to get rid of the "clank", so i'll avoid the A8. As far as attack, the KM-6 Mk II is a swamp ash body with maple top, 5-pc maple & wenge neck-through body, with ebony fretboard and stainless steel frets. So, yea, it has a pretty snappy attack! Changing from the Nazgul ceramic to any other ceramic would probably be a waste of time. Sounds like an A5 in some version is gonna be the ticket. Thanks!
 
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I hope you report back after some experimenting, I'm curiosity to hear your results.

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Yea i definitely will! Probably won't be able to try anything for a few days yet, but i'll report back once i do.
 
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Excuse my rudeness, but why are you blowing money for 1000$ guitars, if Blackstar HT-5R is only decent amp you have?

You know your tone would have improved vastly, had you spent third of that guitar money for a new amp.

Not that Blackstar HT5 is a bad amp. It's nice and great for it's price.
 
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My suggestion would be to keep the Nazgul in there for now. Change one other main element of your rig and you could easily end up wishing for it back lol.
 
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Excuse my rudeness, but why are you blowing money for 1000$ guitars, if Blackstar HT-5R is only decent amp you have?
Because he wanted one? Why do people pay for 10 tops? Do they sound better than a regular old PRS? I totally agree with your logic, but when it comes to what people want, logic doesnt always rule. Why buy a Rolex when a Seiko tells time just as well?
 
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Ha! Yea Jace i knew i'd hear this kind of reply about the amp sooner or later!

Ok, for reference, before the Roland Cube, i had a Peavey Triple-X 212 combo. And i learned then, that my own personal, favorite bridge pickups, are the Custom-8 and Distortion, which corroborates my current opinion with the Blackstar. Well, that Peavey was a big, heavy beast, totally overkill for a person like me who is basically just a " bedroom player". So the rationale was to downsize with something smaller, yet still has some versatility and sounds decent (wait for it....!), FOR ITS PRICE! ;D

So yea, i've spent some money, BUT, my budget isn't unlimited. The Roland was traded in toward a mint, used Blackstar. The Schecter Banshee was a one-time indulgence arising from a decent tax refund, and finally the KM-6 purchase was mostly funded by the sale of my Jackson Soloist. And as a bedroom player, there's no way i'm going to be able to justify a $1000 amp- nor do i need one! Honestly, quite often i'll just play unplugged in the living room, because these guitars both sound great even unplugged.

Now, compound that with basically a return to playing, and you'll see that the Blackstar was the right choice, -for me. Exactly two years ago, my left hand and forearm was in a cast for 3 months after having reconstructive surgery on my left thumb joint. So i wasn't even sure i'd ever play guitar again, after that. Two years later, it still hurts to play and it doesn't work quite the same as it used to. Given that, i'm still trying to work back into it, but it's just for my own enjoyment. And given my druthers, i'd rather own a top-quality guitar, and a "decent" amp, than the other way around.

I agree with the"Rolex vs Seiko" observation. I'm also a motorcyclist, and my choice of bike is the Suzuki V-Strom. Sure, a BMW GS1200 Adventure would be a super-nice bike, but why? The Suzuki does what the BMW does, and for half the price. I was out riding one day, stopped somewhere and a guy in the parking lot started asking me about my bike. "Is that kind of like a BMW?" I said, "Yes, but think of it this way- you can either buy a Range Rover, or a Jeep. Either one can do the same thing, it just depends on how much you want to spend." To which he got a thoughtful look on his face, and replied, "Hm..."

As far as possibly regretting getting rid of the Nazgul... I'm not getting -rid- of it, just swapping magnets! No worries.

None of this stuff is life or death guys, but you all have a lot more experience than I do, and that's why i'm asking for your input. Plus, I just hadn't found much information on mag-swapping a Nazgul. Thanks for all the replies, i really appreciate it! 👍
 
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"As far as possibly regretting getting rid of the Nazgul... I'm not getting -rid- of it, just swapping magnets! No worries. "

Woops, sorry for not reading your earlier posts more completely.
Yeah it's hard to go wrong doing the mag-swaps,,,,,,,,on Duncans anyways, since they're so easy to put back to stock if needed.
 
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Yep, the mag-swap option with Duncans is like icing on the cake. One thing I picked up, besides a few magnets, was a roll of black cloth tape from Stew-Mac. Makes the job look nice and professional.

I'm out of strings, but will do that A5 swap a soon as i get another set, and report back.
 
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Hmmm i am intrigued. I thought that the KM-6 came with "Blackened Winter" pickups, which are Black Winters with both bobbins having hex screws in them.

I dont have much experience with the Nazgul as i just put it into a Charvel "mutt" of mine. I havent really experienced its little nuances yet.
 
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Ha! Yea Jace i knew i'd hear this kind of reply about the amp sooner or later!

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I can see point on getting Blackstar and really I was just wondering about the guitars. I tend to have very practical approach to guitars as well as motorcycles (I have 80's Honda VFR750F, I think it was sold as "Interceptor" in america), so that Rolex vs. Seiko thing is something I don't really get... But I can see your point, have fun playing!

(I'm not really familiar with those V-Storms, seems really nice bikes. Would pick that up anyday over the beastly sized BMW GS's...)
 
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Ah, the "Blackened Winter" pickups came on the original KM-6, which was a totally different guitar. Reminds me of a YouTube review that Rob Chapman did of that guitar, and the way they were discussing how "Blackened Winter" reminded them of Scandinavian death metal- pretty hilarious if you get a chance to watch it. This is the new KM-6 Mark II, different build and w/Sentient & Nazgul. To be honest the Nazgul is not horrible, and i actually like how it sounds clean,and clean coil-split. The mag-swap experiment will be free, but if it doesn't work out, i doubt that i'd feel it necessary to buy a whole new pickup to replace it.

Jace, yea it's sunny and in the 50's here today in Michigan so i've already been out on the 'Strom, it was good to get out there. VFR is a sweet bike! Yea i once just *sat* on a BMW GS1200-A, at a dealership- what a friggin' behemoth, no thank you! I think part of that is about bragging rights, but i'm not out to impress anybody anyway. ;D
Hope you're getting some decent weather as well, safe travels!
 
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Well,,, Dammit!

Well,,, Dammit!

So today I was going to do the mag swap on the Nazgul. Turns out that's a little more complicated. Maybe that's why I haven't read much about changing magnets on a Nazgul.

There are a couple of pictures attached. Notice the two thin, silver wires soldered onto the ends of the coils. One connects the screw coil to the slug coil, and then a second wire is soldered from the slug coil onto the base plate. Also, I didn't see hardly any potting wax at all, so I'm wondering if the magnet could be possibly glued down.

Normally, I loosen the four brass screws under the base plate, then push up on them to loosen the coils off the plate to gain better access to the magnet. That was not an option because of those little silver wires, which don't appear to have any slack. I could have tried to push it out from the other end, but I didn't feel safe jamming a screwdriver into the cluster of wires present there. I also tried grabbing the magnet with a pair of needle-nose pliers, but I couldn't really get a decent grip on it, and it didn't want to budge.

Also, i measured the A5 magnet that I got from Cer-Mag, and it's actually a little thicker than the Nazgul's magnet. Even if I could get the original magnet out, I'd be afraid that the A5's added height would put stress on those two thin silver wires. I thought about just putting a normal-thickness A5 in there, (if I could get the ceramic mag out), but again it seemed that changing the coil-to-base plate distance (shorter) might cause a problem with that delicate-looking wire.

So, it looks like the Nazgul is gonna remain stock. I'm a little disappointed, but I'm kind of getting used to its sound. Sorry I couldn't follow through on this! :(
 

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FYI apparently the photos come up on the "Full Site" option, but not on the Mobile-style web page...
 
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