Tell me about closed back 2x12 cabs.

[Bogner]

I've got a semi vertical mounted speakers 2×12 is that what you call an oversized? I'm sure I could put 4 10's in there

No.

The cabinet I am referring to is a Bogner cabinet. It is in between a regular 2x12 and a 4x12 in size. It has 2x12 speakers They make an oversized and a traditional. The oversized is the best 2x12 cabinet I have ever heard out of the 2x12 cabs I have come across. Still, nothing touches a proper 4x12 (IMO) for what I do.

 

[Bogner]

I prefer slants since I'm usually very close to the cab anyways, however, with oversized straight 412 cabs the tops are already very high so it's not hard to get an accurate tone.
The perfect inner airspace IMO is a standard straight or an oversized slant.

The only oversized cab I referred to was the Bogner 2x12. The rest (4x12) was your regular sized 4x12. Oversized 4x12 (not many out there) tend to get boomy in most instances. If we are talking 4x12, the only difference would be the slant or straight.

 

[solspirit]

No.

The cabinet I am referring to is a Bogner cabinet. It is in between a regular 2x12 and a 4x12 in size. It has 2x12 speakers They make an oversized and a traditional. The oversized is the best 2x12 cabinet I have ever heard out of the 2x12 cabs I have come across. Still, nothing touches a proper 4x12 (IMO) for what I do.

What is the location of the speakers in relation to the cabinet?

Are they two horizontal speakers with more just a little more cabinet room on the top or bottom?

 

[Bogner]

What is the location of the speakers in relation to the cabinet?

Are they two horizontal speakers with more just a little more cabinet room on the top or bottom?

Yes

 

[solspirit]

Yes

What's your opinion of a closed back taller cabinet with diagonally mounded speakers?

 

[Top-L]

What's your opinion of a closed back taller cabinet with diagonally mounded speakers?

My opinion, is that its probably going to sound bigger still than an oversized 2x12. I remember 20 years ago Marshall made a full sized cab with two speakers.

Afaict the best argument for 2x12 is that its easier to carry. Second would be that you can sit on it.

 

[dave74]

The only oversized cab I referred to was the Bogner 2x12. The rest (4x12) was your regular sized 4x12. Oversized 4x12 (not many out there) tend to get boomy in most instances. If we are talking 4x12, the only difference would be the slant or straight.

I don't find much difference between an oversize slant 412 and a standard size straight 412. They have roughly the same airspace too,,,,,,not exactly, but close.
With a 212 I 100% prefer the oversize, but my Mesa 212 (which I would not consider oversize) makes a terrific companion to my big Avatar cab, plus then I get the v30/k100 mix too.

The oversize Mesa straight-baffle 412 is indeed on the boomy side, or it can be if not careful. That thing has huge airspace but can still sound great in some cases. Some guys swear by it though. Ola says it's his favorite cab. Tremonti did say that too,,,, until he got his signature deal with PRS lol.

 

[Bogner]

What's your opinion of a closed back taller cabinet with diagonally mounded speakers?

I prefer horizontal. People turn horizontal cabs on their sides. Your perception changes because the speaker is closer to your ear if standing in front of it.

 

[Bogner]

I don't find much difference between an oversize slant 412 and a standard size straight 412. They have roughly the same airspace too,,,,,,not exactly, but close.
With a 212 I 100% prefer the oversize, but my Mesa 212 (which I would not consider oversize) makes a terrific companion to my big Avatar cab, plus then I get the v30/k100 mix too.

The oversize Mesa straight-baffle 412 is indeed on the boomy side, or it can be if not careful. That thing has huge airspace but can still sound great in some cases. Some guys swear by it though. Ola says it's his favorite cab. Tremonti did say that too,,,, until he got his signature deal with PRS lol.

You are referring to the standard vs traditional cab on Mesa. Not a lot of difference in size. I guess when I say oversize I am talking a bigger cab than the run of the mill cabs being made. Something more in line with the old Mills Acoustics Cabs, etc.

So much of this stuff is rig dependent and the sound you are after. The only rule is there are no rules really.

 

[dave74]

You are referring to the standard vs traditional cab on Mesa. Not a lot of difference in size. I guess when I say oversize I am talking a bigger cab than the run of the mill cabs being made. Something more in line with the old Mills Acoustics Cabs, etc.

So much of this stuff is rig dependent and the sound you are after. The only rule is there are no rules really.

Yeah sorry, I call traditional/stiletto as "standard", as in Marshall size. Until a few year back all the Rectifier cabs were oversized because the traditional size were called Stiletto.
Then when Mesa ditched the Stiletto amps they renamed those as Rectifier-traditional, and then they called the oversized "standards" lol.

 

[dave74]

Speaking of oversized, I bet those old huge Marshall cabs from the 60s/70s were extremely boomy, especially since the speakers were low wattage classics.

The current straight baffle "standard" oversize Rectifier 412 needs pushed hard to really tighten-up much.

I blasted my Triple through it a couple times with the amp set for max punch (150w, diode, bold) and it did much better with the higher internal pressure, but otherwise it is definitely on the saggy side compared to any of their other versions.

 

[NegativeEase]

Speaking of oversized, I bet those old huge Marshall cabs from the 60s/70s were extremely boomy, especially since the speakers were low wattage classics.
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In my case -Ive got Marshall 60s TV slant cab with 4 Greenbacks, and it's not boomy at all -it's voiced for mid range even with the over sized cab.

However, they arent very common cabinets, so I don't know the overall feeling on them.

 

[Ascension]

Have run a number of 2/12 cabs over the years. Avatars, Marshalls, Blackstar, Fenders ect. My 2 all time favorite 2/12 cabs have been my old real Silver Anniversary Marshall 2/12 slant loaded with 75's and my current PRS 2/12 Deep Big Mouth cab loaded with Vin 30's. The PRS is very small and light for a 2/12 ( birch cab) and is an absolute monster tone wise. These are no longer produced but pop up from time to time in the used market in the $350 to 500 range and are real KILLERS!