Tell me about magnet switching.

bard2dbone

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I see a lot of posts here casually advising "Just switch out the magnets."

I've never done that. So I want, well, every single scrap of information you can give me about it.

How hard is it? How do you do it? What changes in tone can you predict? Does it hurt the old magnets when you pull them? (So can I put them back if I don't like the result?)

Basically, if you've done it or at least studied up on it, tell me EVERYTHING you can think of.

Thanks.
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

Hi, I can highly recommend trying it. There are tons of posts about this and the various qualities of different magnets. Try a search, and also look for posts by blueman335 who is one of the leading advocates of mag swapping. If there are any specific questions not answered in those posts let us know.
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

It's pretty fun. Not that hard it seems. I haven't had the balls (or more accurately, the need) to do it.

Wymore guitars sells mags of all varieties.

There's about a 1000000000000000000000000000001 threads about it, do a search.

That's pretty much it IMO.

If you search, besides Blueman, search for Super Rad Stuff. He seems to swap out all the magnets in any pickup he lays his hands on, and I'm sure either of those (or Zhang) will be more than happy to help you out.

tc
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

You've got five common alnico magnets, which have more color & character than ceramics. Swapping is easy & there's plenty of threads on that, plus online video. It's a 10 minute process (including loosening strings & retuning)and most magnets cost $5. A few dollars & a few minutes gets you 'new' PU. An example is Duncan's Custom (ceramic), Custom Custom (A2), and C5 (A5); all the same PU, with just the magnet changed. Great thing is, you can do the same thing yourself to any HB.

Because each type of magnet is made of a different mix of metals, the magnet field varies and they 'see' different parts of the string vibration, which translates to different EQ and output. The reason all this is done, is because no two pieces of wood are identical; different grain, density, mineral content, water content, etc. That means you can put the same PU in 5 different guitars and it may sound different in each. That can be very frustrating, but magnets allow you to compensate for your wood's natural tone, and can often get you where you want to be, although they can't work miracles. Here's the cast of characters:

A2 is warm, lots of mids, not much treble, low output. Low end can be flabby in some guitars, especially in a neck PU. It's famous for having lots of character. Good for warming a bridge PU (which is normally bright and sharp); also works in a bright neck PU (like many PAF's). If an A5 PU is too bright, an A2 can take care of that. A2's are being used to tame the infamous 'ice pick' spike of the JB which is prominent in some guitars. Lots of members here love A2's.

A3 is similar to an A2, but with more treble. Comes in handy when you need to brighten an A2 PU. If you have an A2 neck PAF (PG, '57 Classic, BB, 490R, etc) and want more clarity & definition, try an A3.

A4 has a balanced EQ, so it doesn't push sections of the EQ spectrum like other magnets. This can be very handy when an A2 is too dark, and an A5 is too bright. Because it's mild-mannered and subtle, some players consider it bland, others love it. Medium output. Good for bridge & neck.

A5 is the brighest alnico, with a lot of treble & low end, but not as much mids, so it's considered scooped. Low end is typically tight and strong. Gives needed treble to the neck position, although the low end can be boomy in some PU/guitar situations. Can clean up any mud that might be present in a neck A2 HB. Also good for the bridge, to give bite and cut. In the bridge, some players use 250K pots with A5 magnets to shave off some of the treble. Output is on the strong side. Because of it's good output & being well-suited for both PU positions, it's become the most popular alnico today. That's not to say other magnets can't do some things better though.

A8 is high output and warm. Lots of midrange punch, but also has a moderate amount of treble (more than an A2). Not really suited for the neck slot, but can be very good on the bridge. Provides a rich, full tone, and has plenty of output to balance with a strong neck PU. There's a wildcat here gaining popularity, the "C8", which is a C5 with an A8 (a C5 is somewhat scooped, and the C8 has more mids and less treble). A8's are also being tried in low output bridge PU's (PG, '59B, etc).

HB's have one bar magnet. Things really get interesting when you start experimenting with P-90's and HB-sized P-90's,as they each have two bar magnets. You can mix pairs of two different magnet types & really dial in your EQ.

Excited yet?
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

You've got five common alnico magnets, which have more color & character than ceramics. Swapping is easy & there's plenty of threads on that, plus online video. It's a 10 minute process (including loosening strings & retuning)and most magnets cost $5. A few dollars & a few minutes gets you 'new' PU. An example is Duncan's Custom (ceramic), Custom Custom (A2), and C5 (A5); all the same PU, with just the magnet changed. Great thing is, you can do the same thing yourself to any HB.

Because each type of magnet is made of a different mix of metals, the magnet field varies and they 'see' different parts of the string vibration, which translates to different EQ and output. The reason all this is done, is because no two pieces of wood are identical; different grain, density, mineral content, water content, etc. That means you can put the same PU in 5 different guitars and it may sound different in each. That can be very frustrating, but magnets allow you to compensate for your wood's natural tone, and can often get you where you want to be, although they can't work miracles. Here's the cast of characters:

A2 is warm, lots of mids, not much treble, low output. Low end can be flabby in some guitars, especially in a neck PU. It's famous for having lots of character. Good for warming a bridge PU (which is normally bright and sharp); also works in a bright neck PU (like many PAF's). If an A5 PU is too bright, an A2 can take care of that. A2's are being used to tame the infamous 'ice pick' spike of the JB which is prominent in some guitars. Lots of members here love A2's.

A3 is similar to an A2, but with more treble. Comes in handy when you need to brighten an A2 PU. If you have an A2 neck PAF (PG, '57 Classic, BB, 490R, etc) and want more clarity & definition, try an A3.

A4 has a balanced EQ, so it doesn't push sections of the EQ spectrum like other magnets. This can be very handy when an A2 is too dark, and an A5 is too bright. Because it's mild-mannered and subtle, some players consider it bland, others love it. Medium output. Good for bridge & neck.

A5 is the brighest alnico, with a lot of treble & low end, but not as much mids, so it's considered scooped. Low end is typically tight and strong. Gives needed treble to the neck position, although the low end can be boomy in some PU/guitar situations. Can clean up any mud that might be present in a neck A2 HB. Also good for the bridge, to give bite and cut. In the bridge, some players use 250K pots with A5 magnets to shave off some of the treble. Output is on the strong side. Because of it's good output & being well-suited for both PU positions, it's become the most popular alnico today. That's not to say other magnets can't do some things better though.

A8 is high output and warm. Lots of midrange punch, but also has a moderate amount of treble (more than an A2). Not really suited for the neck slot, but can be very good on the bridge. Provides a rich, full tone, and has plenty of output to balance with a strong neck PU. There's a wildcat here gaining popularity, the "C8", which is a C5 with an A8 (a C5 is somewhat scooped, and the C8 has more mids and less treble). A8's are also being tried in low output bridge PU's (PG, '59B, etc).

HB's have one bar magnet. Things really get interesting when you start experimenting with P-90's and HB-sized P-90's,as they each have two bar magnets. You can mix pairs of two different magnet types & really dial in your EQ.

Excited yet?

you do have this saved somewhere and are just cutting and pasting every time this comes up, right?

surely you're not typing that up every time someone asks..?

; ]
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

And in less than an hour and a half, you have more information (and more accurate) than you're going to find spending hours scouring the web.

There are definitely some good resources here. :fing2:
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

you do have this saved somewhere and are just cutting and pasting every time this comes up, right?

surely you're not typing that up every time someone asks..?

; ]

Each time I read this it changes a little bit (and I have an earlier saved copy). So, at the very least, blues is updating the info reasonably reglarly.

EXCELLENT WORK.
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

blueman335 taught me that you owe it to your wallet to try magnet swaps before you start buying new pickups. It's very good advice because you can make some key changes to you tone. BUT you can't fix all situations with a different magnet. For instance, I like the JB, but I didn't care for it in one of my guitars. I swapped magnets, trying and A2 and A8 in it and those made certain improvements, but the JB wind is still the same and although the different magnets helped in some ways, they didn't help enough for me.

I've found that after you've tried some different magnets you can pretty much predict what effect they'll have.
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

you do have this saved somewhere and are just cutting and pasting every time this comes up, right?

surely you're not typing that up every time someone asks..?; ]

No I don't do this for everybody, but figured I haven't done it lately, so I wanted to bring the new members up to speed. Plus there's always something new to add. Replacement magnets changed the way I buy, sell, and use PU's, so I just want to get the word out to players that it may work for them too. Saved me a ton of money.
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

No I don't do this for everybody, but figured I haven't done it lately, so I wanted to bring the new members up to speed. Plus there's always something new to add. Replacement magnets changed the way I buy, sell, and use PU's, so I just want to get the word out to players that it may work for them too. Saved me a ton of money.


:lol:

"I just saved a bunch of money by swapping to an A2!" :lol: Geico reference :lol:
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

Blueman I was hoping you can clear up a disagreement I had yesterday on another forum. I have pretty much (whether right or wrong) held to the idea the magnet strength increases as the Alnico numbers gets higher. This guy was stating Alnico 2 is stronger than Alnico 3. Who is correct?
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

Can this be done with single coils?


Only P-90's, which have two bar magnets (same size as a standard HB). Fender-style single coils have 6 rod magnets embedded in the middle of the coil, and you'd risk nicking the coil and shorting out the PU. Too bad, because otherwise you could use a different magnet for each string.
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

Blueman I was hoping you can clear up a disagreement I had yesterday on another forum. I have pretty much (whether right or wrong) held to the idea the magnet strength increases as the Alnico numbers gets higher. This guy was stating Alnico 2 is stronger than Alnico 3. Who is correct?

The strength roughly increases as you go up is numbers, but this isn't rigid. While A2's and A3's are both low output, A2's are considered to have slightly more, not that you could tell the difference with your ears. It's like splitting hairs. A4's are more medium output, and above that they get fairly strong. A8's have a pretty high output & it's recommended that the pole pieces be slightly lower from the strings than normal, to prevent string pull, which reduces sustain.

There's a few other alnicos that are basically missing-in-action. A6's are hard to find, but they're out there. They're like an A8 but with less treble. A1, A7, and A9 are almost impossible to find in a guitar magnet size.
 
Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

I found some A1 but it had a funny shape to it and made a mess whenever I tried to swap it in.

http://brands.kraftfoods.com/a1/

b said:
A8's have a pretty high output & it's recommended that the pole pieces be slightly lower from the strings than normal, to prevent string pull, which reduces sustain.

DO NOT use A8's in the neck or you will have major warble, not to mention major mud. Bridge pu only. Experiment if you must, it won't do any harm, but you'll come back in here and say Uncle Zhang was right...
 
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Re: Tell me about magnet switching.

It's pretty fun. Not that hard it seems. I haven't had the balls (or more accurately, the need) to do it.

Alright young man, you're out of excuses. Which HB guitars of yours have a PU or two that don't sound quite the way you want them to? Pick your first project; I'm sure you have 10 minutes to spare. Read my post here on magnet EQ's and make an informed choice. If you need an A2, that's easy as I have a pile of spares.

This is for your own good, don't make me come over there. Honestly, any 12-year old can do this. You'll thank us when you get done.
 
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