guitarSQUIRELL
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I have looked at this pickup for a while now. I want to get some honest opinions about it going into a Alder body, set neck, rosewood board Flying V. 2 volume/ 1 tone.
Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
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dir-en-grey44
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I had one for a week and wish I bought something else. Could have been a bad one but than again it was a used TB-16 and there hasn't been a TB version that I really liked. Wouldn't recommend for metal but that's just my experience with one.
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I had one for a week and wish I bought something else. Could have been a bad one but than again it was a used TB-16 and there hasn't been a TB version that I really liked. Wouldn't recommend for metal but that's just my experience with one.
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LazNovak
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Does it cut in the neck? I'm wondering how it would work in basswood, maple/rosewood, floyd Charvel in the neck paired with the Nazgul in the bridge.
Does it cut in the neck? I'm wondering how it would work in basswood, maple/rosewood, floyd Charvel in the neck paired with the Nazgul in the bridge.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
The big coil mismatch (7K vs 4.2K) gives a good dose of treble (by reducing the humbucker effect), as does the A5 magnet. For some guys (like me) it's too hot for the neck slot, and a much better hybrid is a PAF bridge and neck coil (i.e. '59B/'59N), with an A2 or UOA5 which gives more clarity and a nice sharp high-end without the extra heat.
For me, a '59/Custom hybrid is best with a warm magnet, paired with a PAF hybrid, also with a warm magnet.
The big coil mismatch (7K vs 4.2K) gives a good dose of treble (by reducing the humbucker effect), as does the A5 magnet. For some guys (like me) it's too hot for the neck slot, and a much better hybrid is a PAF bridge and neck coil (i.e. '59B/'59N), with an A2 or UOA5 which gives more clarity and a nice sharp high-end without the extra heat.
For me, a '59/Custom hybrid is best with a warm magnet, paired with a PAF hybrid, also with a warm magnet.
Edgecrusher
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A 59N with a 59B coil isnt a hybrid as they have the same wire gauge. They are barely even offset. It would create a pickup that is only a little warmer than a normal 59N. How does an A2 add clarity that a polished A5 doesnt have? If anything it would be less bright so not as clangy and harsh.
The 59/C is fine as a neck pickup if you have a loud bridge pickup. The only thing you might have to be mindful of is tonal mismatch. The nazgul isnt bright nor is it dark. Depending on your amp set up a 59/c in the neck could be brigther than you want. But some guys like bright for neck solos so it depends on what you want.
A 59N with a 59B coil isnt a hybrid as they have the same wire gauge. They are barely even offset. It would create a pickup that is only a little warmer than a normal 59N. How does an A2 add clarity that a polished A5 doesnt have? If anything it would be less bright so not as clangy and harsh.
The 59/C is fine as a neck pickup if you have a loud bridge pickup. The only thing you might have to be mindful of is tonal mismatch. The nazgul isnt bright nor is it dark. Depending on your amp set up a 59/c in the neck could be brigther than you want. But some guys like bright for neck solos so it depends on what you want.
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blueman335
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
A '59B/'59N is a hybrid: coils from two different PU's, with a .7K difference in resistance. That's a coil mismatch and it negates some of the humbucker effect, which adds some clarity and high-end & thins out some mids. And no, it's not warmer than a '59N. Even though it's 7.8K (vs 7.4K for a '59N), the hybrid is brighter. That lets you use an A2 to give more texture to the tone, and because of the coil mismatch, treble isn't lost.
In making neck hybrids, I've found a 5% difference in resistance between coils still requires a bright magnet to get the tones I want. At 10% difference, there's enough high-end added that I can use a warm magnet and still get a sharp, biting edge. That's my tone goal with neck HB's. I get that through hybrids or spin-a-split. You ought to to spend some time swapping coils before you make any more assumptions. With unbalanced coils, higher resistance doesn't necessarily mean more warmth. It can work in the opposite direction.
A '59B/'59N is a hybrid: coils from two different PU's, with a .7K difference in resistance. That's a coil mismatch and it negates some of the humbucker effect, which adds some clarity and high-end & thins out some mids. And no, it's not warmer than a '59N. Even though it's 7.8K (vs 7.4K for a '59N), the hybrid is brighter. That lets you use an A2 to give more texture to the tone, and because of the coil mismatch, treble isn't lost.
In making neck hybrids, I've found a 5% difference in resistance between coils still requires a bright magnet to get the tones I want. At 10% difference, there's enough high-end added that I can use a warm magnet and still get a sharp, biting edge. That's my tone goal with neck HB's. I get that through hybrids or spin-a-split. You ought to to spend some time swapping coils before you make any more assumptions. With unbalanced coils, higher resistance doesn't necessarily mean more warmth. It can work in the opposite direction.
Ashurbanipal
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Have one in this thing - alder body, maple/ebony neck, 500k pots (and no, no ice pick tone). I love it - quite responsive to picking, plenty of harmonic overtones, works well with the SSL2s and doesn't drown them out.
Have one in this thing - alder body, maple/ebony neck, 500k pots (and no, no ice pick tone). I love it - quite responsive to picking, plenty of harmonic overtones, works well with the SSL2s and doesn't drown them out.
Falloffthebonetone
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My favorite humbucker. I have it in a poplar 25.5 scale maple neck guitar with 500k and it isn't too bright at all to me. I did swap an a2 out and flip it around so the stronger coil is closer to the bridge, and it's still awesome, just wanted a more vintage flavor from it. It WAS more versatile in it's stock form though.
My favorite humbucker. I have it in a poplar 25.5 scale maple neck guitar with 500k and it isn't too bright at all to me. I did swap an a2 out and flip it around so the stronger coil is closer to the bridge, and it's still awesome, just wanted a more vintage flavor from it. It WAS more versatile in it's stock form though.
Edgecrusher
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They are hybrids of 2 different versions.. not even models let alone types. The effect you are overstating is quite small really. Hell the numbers you are talking about actually fall inside the range of production tolerance. The difference between a 59 B and 59 N is about 10%. If you are stealing 1 coil from one then one from another you are actually inside of the 5% + or - tolerances that SD holds. Your "hybrid" could actually wind up sounding exactly like a pickup that came off the production line.
I would like you to explain exactly how a coil that is wound to a higher capacitance with its associated drop in resonant peak frequency will sound brighter and not warmer. I want specifics.
The placebo effect is very strong.
They are hybrids of 2 different versions.. not even models let alone types. The effect you are overstating is quite small really. Hell the numbers you are talking about actually fall inside the range of production tolerance. The difference between a 59 B and 59 N is about 10%. If you are stealing 1 coil from one then one from another you are actually inside of the 5% + or - tolerances that SD holds. Your "hybrid" could actually wind up sounding exactly like a pickup that came off the production line.
I would like you to explain exactly how a coil that is wound to a higher capacitance with its associated drop in resonant peak frequency will sound brighter and not warmer. I want specifics.
The placebo effect is very strong.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
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I've put many coils on my multimeter, and a .7K difference in resistance between coils in a HB is much more than I've ever seen with any quality PU, and I've owned dozens of models over the years, and with some, several examples of a model. A 10% difference in resistance is around where the magic starts. The humbucker effect, two coils in series, increases output and mids and decreases treble and clarity. When there's enough of an imbalance, that won't happen to the same extent, logical, right? Some unmatched single coil sound also comes thru, which is what adds high-end and reduces mids. That's one of the things that made the 1950's PAF's sound they way they did. It wasn't just the random winds, it was also the mismatched coils, with the same wire gauge.
Until you swap some coils yourself, you're just guessing and making assumptions. What you know about HB's applies to closely matched coils, because that's what almost all of them have. The rules change when they're unbalanced, which may be one reason why HB's almost universally have balanced coils; it's within the PU maker's comfort zone. A higher resistance does not necessarily reduce the resonant peak when the coils are mismatched. Think outside the box. Let go of the "Coil that is wound to a higher capacitance with its associated drop in resonant peak frequency will sound brighter and not warmer." It doesn't work the same way when the matching and hum-cancelling is off kilter. It's no longer a full humbucker. The difference in coil resistance with the '59/Custom hybrid is way more than is needed to get the mismatched coil effect. I've got 8K PAF neck hybrids, with A2's and UOA5's that are brighter than a 7.5K PAF with an A5 and matched coils.
"I want specifics!" You're not royalty dude. I didn't demand any forum member or anyone in a white lab coat convince me of anything. A forum member offered to make me some hybrids out of spare HB's I had laying around. I took him up on it. Then I started making hybrids myself, buying PU's specifically for that purpose. You learn a lot by being hands on. I never heard of anyone putting unmatched pairs of magnets in P-90's, but 5 or 6 years ago I decided to try it and have since turned on some forum members to the idea. Hey, you can sit there and argue about things you don't have experience with, or you can learn by actually doing them yourself. I come here for ideas and concepts and then see where I can apply them. No one has to prove anything to me; I can figure out what has potential merit for what I'm doing.
I've put many coils on my multimeter, and a .7K difference in resistance between coils in a HB is much more than I've ever seen with any quality PU, and I've owned dozens of models over the years, and with some, several examples of a model. A 10% difference in resistance is around where the magic starts. The humbucker effect, two coils in series, increases output and mids and decreases treble and clarity. When there's enough of an imbalance, that won't happen to the same extent, logical, right? Some unmatched single coil sound also comes thru, which is what adds high-end and reduces mids. That's one of the things that made the 1950's PAF's sound they way they did. It wasn't just the random winds, it was also the mismatched coils, with the same wire gauge.
Until you swap some coils yourself, you're just guessing and making assumptions. What you know about HB's applies to closely matched coils, because that's what almost all of them have. The rules change when they're unbalanced, which may be one reason why HB's almost universally have balanced coils; it's within the PU maker's comfort zone. A higher resistance does not necessarily reduce the resonant peak when the coils are mismatched. Think outside the box. Let go of the "Coil that is wound to a higher capacitance with its associated drop in resonant peak frequency will sound brighter and not warmer." It doesn't work the same way when the matching and hum-cancelling is off kilter. It's no longer a full humbucker. The difference in coil resistance with the '59/Custom hybrid is way more than is needed to get the mismatched coil effect. I've got 8K PAF neck hybrids, with A2's and UOA5's that are brighter than a 7.5K PAF with an A5 and matched coils.
"I want specifics!" You're not royalty dude. I didn't demand any forum member or anyone in a white lab coat convince me of anything. A forum member offered to make me some hybrids out of spare HB's I had laying around. I took him up on it. Then I started making hybrids myself, buying PU's specifically for that purpose. You learn a lot by being hands on. I never heard of anyone putting unmatched pairs of magnets in P-90's, but 5 or 6 years ago I decided to try it and have since turned on some forum members to the idea. Hey, you can sit there and argue about things you don't have experience with, or you can learn by actually doing them yourself. I come here for ideas and concepts and then see where I can apply them. No one has to prove anything to me; I can figure out what has potential merit for what I'm doing.
guitarSQUIRELL
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
I have 2 guitars to try it in. One alder Flying V and an Agile A-2000 all mahogany body with maple cap. Any idea on the sound it would produce in he mahogany? Both set necks with rosewood board.
I have 2 guitars to try it in. One alder Flying V and an Agile A-2000 all mahogany body with maple cap. Any idea on the sound it would produce in he mahogany? Both set necks with rosewood board.
Edgecrusher
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You really could have saved yourself a tone of typing. I think its cute that especially on this forum you think you are the only one who has ever swapped coils. "Until I swap some coils myself" Gee so the ones Ive already done arent enough? How many do I have to do?
Please do tell how "thinking outside the box" can violate the laws of physics? If you have 2 coils and they are wound in the same way with the same type of wire the one with more turns will have a lower resonant peak. Its not "what I observed" its part of physics.
You are completely ignoring that I showed you how your "hybrids" are inside of the normal production variation. For cripes sake the 59B I have sitting on this table with me is reading 7.53. Its not hard to find them around this range, not going to tear it apart to find what each coil reads but I would hazard a guess they arent identical. I guess you are lucky that all your pickups have had such tight tolerances. Go you.
A mismatch will not give you a resonant peak higher than what you already have in your coils. If we are still talking similarly wound coils like we are in hybridzing a 59B with a 59N or a JazzB and Jazz N. If you start throwing in other changes that can give use larger changes in inductance then you might see a bit different trend emerge but in this case no.
The problem with your whole "hands on" rant is that relies on your perceptions to test. So you put together a pickups that YOU thought was brighter. How do we know it was actually the pickup and not your new strings or maybe you had set the height lower than your last pickup or maybe your ears just werent as fatigued when you listened to it so you thought it was brighter.
This is exactly why i asked for specifics. You might be able to dazzle the muppets around here with BS but not me. Ive made a bunch of hybrids I actually know a few things which is exactly why I dont take what the mag heads around here say as gospel.
You really could have saved yourself a tone of typing. I think its cute that especially on this forum you think you are the only one who has ever swapped coils. "Until I swap some coils myself" Gee so the ones Ive already done arent enough? How many do I have to do?
Please do tell how "thinking outside the box" can violate the laws of physics? If you have 2 coils and they are wound in the same way with the same type of wire the one with more turns will have a lower resonant peak. Its not "what I observed" its part of physics.
You are completely ignoring that I showed you how your "hybrids" are inside of the normal production variation. For cripes sake the 59B I have sitting on this table with me is reading 7.53. Its not hard to find them around this range, not going to tear it apart to find what each coil reads but I would hazard a guess they arent identical. I guess you are lucky that all your pickups have had such tight tolerances. Go you.
A mismatch will not give you a resonant peak higher than what you already have in your coils. If we are still talking similarly wound coils like we are in hybridzing a 59B with a 59N or a JazzB and Jazz N. If you start throwing in other changes that can give use larger changes in inductance then you might see a bit different trend emerge but in this case no.
The problem with your whole "hands on" rant is that relies on your perceptions to test. So you put together a pickups that YOU thought was brighter. How do we know it was actually the pickup and not your new strings or maybe you had set the height lower than your last pickup or maybe your ears just werent as fatigued when you listened to it so you thought it was brighter.
This is exactly why i asked for specifics. You might be able to dazzle the muppets around here with BS but not me. Ive made a bunch of hybrids I actually know a few things which is exactly why I dont take what the mag heads around here say as gospel.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
You're right, you know everything. My mistake.
You're right, you know everything. My mistake.
guitarSQUIRELL
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
OK....Thread hyjack....Are we kids or adults.....Lol....
OK....Thread hyjack....Are we kids or adults.....Lol....
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Oh, I think that's pretty obvious. This is the Duncan Forum, right?
Oh, I think that's pretty obvious. This is the Duncan Forum, right?
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