guitarSQUIRELL
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
LOL yeah it is.....I did get a laugh out of it though....
LOL yeah it is.....I did get a laugh out of it though....
Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
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swissmountain
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Too bad - the discussion was very interesting.
Meanwhile I put together two 59/Custom hybrids - one with the A5 magnet from the 59 and one with an A4. I also did two neck hybrids out of a 7.2k and an 8k humbucker, both with A4 magnets, measuring between 7.6k and 7.7k each. I had the neck hybrid in the neck position of a Les Paul where I had the 7.2k A4 humbucker before. I did not change the strings - I usually only loosen them when I change pickups. Not sure whether I set the pickups to the exact same height - probably not since I never measure - I just set them where they sound best to my ears. Compared to the "non-hybrid", the hybrid has more output and about the same amount of treble. Normally I would have expected that a pickup at 7.7k (with the same wire gauge and magnet) would sound less bright than a 7.2k but it did not. This matches Blueman's experience. The physical explanation behind that could be that due to the mismatch of the coils, fewer of the high frequencies get cancelled that are normally cancelled in symmetrically wound coils.
In my example the coils are approx. 10% apart (3.6k vs. 4k).
Whatever - I like this pickup, and that's what matters to me, and thanks to BachtoRock and Blueman for providing the inspiration.
The second neck hybrid is still awaiting its deployment.
Too bad - the discussion was very interesting.
Meanwhile I put together two 59/Custom hybrids - one with the A5 magnet from the 59 and one with an A4. I also did two neck hybrids out of a 7.2k and an 8k humbucker, both with A4 magnets, measuring between 7.6k and 7.7k each. I had the neck hybrid in the neck position of a Les Paul where I had the 7.2k A4 humbucker before. I did not change the strings - I usually only loosen them when I change pickups. Not sure whether I set the pickups to the exact same height - probably not since I never measure - I just set them where they sound best to my ears. Compared to the "non-hybrid", the hybrid has more output and about the same amount of treble. Normally I would have expected that a pickup at 7.7k (with the same wire gauge and magnet) would sound less bright than a 7.2k but it did not. This matches Blueman's experience. The physical explanation behind that could be that due to the mismatch of the coils, fewer of the high frequencies get cancelled that are normally cancelled in symmetrically wound coils.
In my example the coils are approx. 10% apart (3.6k vs. 4k).
Whatever - I like this pickup, and that's what matters to me, and thanks to BachtoRock and Blueman for providing the inspiration.
The second neck hybrid is still awaiting its deployment.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Bingo! Matched coils cancel hum and treble. Unbalanced, some of both start to creep in. Doesn't take a large mismatch as you found out; a 10% difference in coil resistance in a neck hybrid is all you need to have to be able to hear that happening. Hey, but what do we know.
Bingo! Matched coils cancel hum and treble. Unbalanced, some of both start to creep in. Doesn't take a large mismatch as you found out; a 10% difference in coil resistance in a neck hybrid is all you need to have to be able to hear that happening. Hey, but what do we know.
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guitarSQUIRELL
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
You are right....Im not as smart as some of the people on the forum on this topic of swapping coils and such, but, you can hear a difference in a humbucker when you split the coils with a push/pull or a toggle switch.....The treble is increased and the hum/buzz of a single coil is present....However when you go back to the humbucker full on, the treble decreases a bit and the hum/buzz quits....I have noticed that myself and like I said, Im challenged when it comes to that area of splitting coils and whatever....I am thinking of splitting the Custom Hybrid I just purchased with a push/pull pot as well.....
When I do perform the change....Should I install a 250K or 500K pot push/pull of course?
You are right....Im not as smart as some of the people on the forum on this topic of swapping coils and such, but, you can hear a difference in a humbucker when you split the coils with a push/pull or a toggle switch.....The treble is increased and the hum/buzz of a single coil is present....However when you go back to the humbucker full on, the treble decreases a bit and the hum/buzz quits....I have noticed that myself and like I said, Im challenged when it comes to that area of splitting coils and whatever....I am thinking of splitting the Custom Hybrid I just purchased with a push/pull pot as well.....
When I do perform the change....Should I install a 250K or 500K pot push/pull of course?
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Falloffthebonetone
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
I would not hesitate to put it in a guitar like that. I haven't tried it with 250k pots, only 500k. I'd say get it with 500k, then if you think it is too bright or something, you can swap to a 250k pot or even swap the magnet like I did.
I would not hesitate to put it in a guitar like that. I haven't tried it with 250k pots, only 500k. I'd say get it with 500k, then if you think it is too bright or something, you can swap to a 250k pot or even swap the magnet like I did.
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
its the interwebs. everyone regresses!
its the interwebs. everyone regresses!
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
A good way to hear the imbalance is with a spin-a-split (tone pot converted into a volume pot for one of the coils). As you gradually turn down the volume of one coil (both being the same wind and gauge), you can hear the treble increase and mids decrease.
A good way to hear the imbalance is with a spin-a-split (tone pot converted into a volume pot for one of the coils). As you gradually turn down the volume of one coil (both being the same wind and gauge), you can hear the treble increase and mids decrease.
GilmourD
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Yes, please at least try to act like adults.
Edgecrusher
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
The offset cannot create highs. It will still be limited by the resonant peaks of whatever coils you are using. Even in your explanation that less highs are being filtered not created which is what was claimed earlier.
The offset cannot create highs. It will still be limited by the resonant peaks of whatever coils you are using. Even in your explanation that less highs are being filtered not created which is what was claimed earlier.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Right, the offset doesn't create highs. It lessens the process that reduces highs. The two coils in an HB are much brighter individually. Positioned side-by-side on the same baseplate several things change because of the cancelling effect: noise, output and EQ. It's an artificial situation, but it sounds good. Unbalanced coils don't cancel each other as efficiently, and allow a portion of one coil's natural (single coil) to sound like it would if it were by itself.
Unbalanced coils lessen the EQ restraints imposed by the HB effect, taking off part of the blanket. A 10% coil imbalance is sufficient to allow enough single coil highs to come thru to be audible (I'm not looking for wild imbalances like the '59/Custom), and that's enough to outpace the slight increase in resistance of the artificially lowered HB resonant peak. In a HB there's multiple resonant peaks at work to make the final sound: each individual coil, and of them together. The individual coil resonant peaks don't go away, they're just masked. All I'm doing is blending the combined coil resonant peak, with the part of the single coil resonant peak that no longer fits under the blanket. I'm not creating anything that wasn't already there in the first place. Inside every HB is two very bright coils.
Right, the offset doesn't create highs. It lessens the process that reduces highs. The two coils in an HB are much brighter individually. Positioned side-by-side on the same baseplate several things change because of the cancelling effect: noise, output and EQ. It's an artificial situation, but it sounds good. Unbalanced coils don't cancel each other as efficiently, and allow a portion of one coil's natural (single coil) to sound like it would if it were by itself.
Unbalanced coils lessen the EQ restraints imposed by the HB effect, taking off part of the blanket. A 10% coil imbalance is sufficient to allow enough single coil highs to come thru to be audible (I'm not looking for wild imbalances like the '59/Custom), and that's enough to outpace the slight increase in resistance of the artificially lowered HB resonant peak. In a HB there's multiple resonant peaks at work to make the final sound: each individual coil, and of them together. The individual coil resonant peaks don't go away, they're just masked. All I'm doing is blending the combined coil resonant peak, with the part of the single coil resonant peak that no longer fits under the blanket. I'm not creating anything that wasn't already there in the first place. Inside every HB is two very bright coils.
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
I liked the tone of the 59/custom hybrid, but if there is a downside it is mega sensitive, it will pickup the smallest open string vibration when you are playing riffs, leads etc. But if you have your muting solid with both hands you should be fine.
I liked the tone of the 59/custom hybrid, but if there is a downside it is mega sensitive, it will pickup the smallest open string vibration when you are playing riffs, leads etc. But if you have your muting solid with both hands you should be fine.
guitarSQUIRELL
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
I just got my Custom/Hybrid in the mail yesterday. Would you recommend splitting it with a push/pull pot? Pro's and Con's please....
I just got my Custom/Hybrid in the mail yesterday. Would you recommend splitting it with a push/pull pot? Pro's and Con's please....
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Why not? I'd split it so that the Custom coil stays on during coil cut. That'll be a more useful (and less shrill) tone.
Why not? I'd split it so that the Custom coil stays on during coil cut. That'll be a more useful (and less shrill) tone.
guitarSQUIRELL
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Can someone refer me to a wiring diagram using a push pull 500K pot to split JUST the bridge pickup on the C/H? I cant seem to know what Im looking for on the SD website....Would i use the push pull in the volume pot or the tone pot? I see it in both positions.
Can someone refer me to a wiring diagram using a push pull 500K pot to split JUST the bridge pickup on the C/H? I cant seem to know what Im looking for on the SD website....Would i use the push pull in the volume pot or the tone pot? I see it in both positions.
guitarSQUIRELL
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Is this pickup better paired with a neck pup of around 8K or something a little more? I want the guitar to be balanced output volume.
Is this pickup better paired with a neck pup of around 8K or something a little more? I want the guitar to be balanced output volume.
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?290023-Hy-Bro-2015-p-up-we-have-a-winner
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
You can use a push-pull for the vol or tone. Gibson/Epi seems to randomly use either one. In both cases, the pot still functions the same. I use push-pulls instead of mini-toggles. The guitar looks the same from the outside. No new holes and totally reversible.
You can use a push-pull for the vol or tone. Gibson/Epi seems to randomly use either one. In both cases, the pot still functions the same. I use push-pulls instead of mini-toggles. The guitar looks the same from the outside. No new holes and totally reversible.
guitarSQUIRELL
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
I will probably put it on the volume side since that pot needs to be replaced anyway. Hope to get this installed this week sometime. Can't wait to hear what it sounds like split in that alder body V
I will probably put it on the volume side since that pot needs to be replaced anyway. Hope to get this installed this week sometime. Can't wait to hear what it sounds like split in that alder body V
Juanhanglo
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
Hi guys.I have a question.
How does the 59/custom compare to the dimarzio Norton?
I believe the norton has a 5k and a 7.5 k coil.
How close are they?
Hi guys.I have a question.
How does the 59/custom compare to the dimarzio Norton?
I believe the norton has a 5k and a 7.5 k coil.
How close are they?
loversmoon
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Re: Tell me about the '59 Custom/ Hybrid
I'm I interested in how it sounds in mahogany
I'm I interested in how it sounds in mahogany
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