tell me about the Single Recto

[some_dude]

Re: tell me about the Single Recto

In fairness, I believe the purpose using ribbon cable is that it keeps the wiring neater and ensures all the wires stay parallel to each other. Most Mesa amps are complicated enough that the last thing that they need are clusters of wires running everywhere.

Again, it comes down to choosing an amp based on it's sound rather than some perception based on looks rather than function.

 

[supernosher]

Re: tell me about the Single Recto

In fairness, I believe the purpose using ribbon cable is that it keeps the wiring neater and ensures all the wires stay parallel to each other. Most Mesa amps are complicated enough that the last thing that they need are clusters of wires running everywhere.

No, the purpose is to cut costs. In older MESA's some wires were intentionally twisted, or zip-tied together for a reason, and others kept far away for a reason. Randy Smith believes it makes a difference, but he doesn't make all the production decisions.

 

[some_dude]

Re: tell me about the Single Recto

No, the purpose is to cut costs. In older MESA's some wires were intentionally twisted, or zip-tied together for a reason, and others kept far away for a reason. Randy Smith believes it makes a difference, but he doesn't make all the production decisions.

Those amps were a tad bit simpler than the three channel Dual Rectifier, and they were already a mess to begin with. I don't doubt the ribbon cables reduce costs, but I do believe they make the amps more consistent.

 

[supernosher]

Re: tell me about the Single Recto

Well then I like seeing a "mess" if you think that is messy. I agree that new production techniques may have enabled them to make the additional options available more reasonably.

 

[krankguitarist]

Re: tell me about the Single Recto

Honestly, I'm not sure how much of the signal is routed through those ribbon cables. I'd like to see a schematic, but just by looking at the internal layout of my Roadster it seems that they don't quite connect in the right places to carry the guitar's signal. It looks to me like they're mostly there to handle the switching functions, but I'd have to ask the local amp tech around here to confirm that.

 

[supernosher]

Re: tell me about the Single Recto

Honestly, I'm not sure how much of the signal is routed through those ribbon cables. I'd like to see a schematic, but just by looking at the internal layout of my Roadster it seems that they don't quite connect in the right places to carry the guitar's signal. It looks to me like they're mostly there to handle the switching functions, but I'd have to ask the local amp tech around here to confirm that.

...and if you and everyone else who bought the new design are happy with your/their amps, then good for you/them. There's no point in discussing (in this thread) what materials the signal touches. There was already a thread about this, I think.

If you want to know how I feel about the new vs. old SOUND:
When the Single Recto's were first made, I played one. I immediately noticed something different. The mojo wasn't there. The lost mojo seemed like a trade off for more channels, so that's my take on it. It's kind of like they felt guilty for the lapse in mojo, so they threw in more features. That's just how I felt about it. Really it doesn't go against their philosophy, so I don't see anything wrong with it. I even own a not-so-mojo-having MESA, just because it has the features I need.

 

[some_dude]

Re: tell me about the Single Recto

Well then I like seeing a "mess" if you think that is messy. I agree that new production techniques may have enabled them to make the additional options available more reasonably.

I can't blame them really. I found the following series of pics and it's no wonder amp techs used to hate working on Boogies...

Mark IIC+

Mark III

Mark IV

Lonestar Classic

 

[krankguitarist]

Re: tell me about the Single Recto

...and if you and everyone else who bought the new design are happy with your/their amps, then good for you/them. There's no point in discussing (in this thread) what materials the signal touches. There was already a thread about this, I think.

Well, it just seems to me that as long as we're talking about the ribbon cables as a negative, there might as well be some sort of reasoning behind it . There's nothing wrong with cutting costs in amp construction when the changes don't make tonal sacrifices.

Sure, the new rectos are gonna sound different from the old rectos due to several other design changes as well. The general consensus seems to be that the older ones sound "better". But I'm so happy with my roadster that I could give a rat's ass what the general consensus is.