Test and some advice.

penguinmessiah

penguinmessiah

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So, this is my first anything posted up here. I post a lot of bits and pieces on my youtube page, some full songs, others half finished, whatever. This is here if you're interested : http://www.youtube.com/user/penguinmessiah I haven't really found my sound yet, so it's pretty much all over the place.

Anyway, yesterday I came up with a fun little riff, decided to record it and see how it turned out. It's somewhere between hard rock and metal, I guess. Anyway, It has two guitar parts, which ended up very muddied together, and I wanted some advice on how to EQ/mix that to get some separation between the tracks.

I'm running an Epiphone Les Paul through a Pod XT Live into garageband. The second track that comes in gets the whole thing a little crowded - I'm definitely open to changing the tone I'm using in that part, that was just the one that gave me the most separation between the tracks at this time.

This is certainly a 'just for fun' type thing and a learning experience, so no need to take it too seriously.

Thanks for listening guys. Track is right here : Called 'Mesa?'

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=938846&content=music
 
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Re: Test and some advice.

its kinda muddy I dig and smashing pumpkins type stuff is awesome, try adding vocals for kicks...muddy and your compensating by boosting the solo guitar we had some threads about subtractive eq here are some highlights

bassDRUMS 40 320
singing: 80-650
bass 50-375
guitars 120-1000 (downtuned gtrs 100-1000)
snare: low cut 120


start with a good drum mix and have all the parts together equal about -6 dbs on your master output. This gives you a loud drum mix and enough head room to fit the rest of the parts in. If I were you I would zero out the faders and start there, then add your other parts one by one.


The kick needs a low cut filter at 40 hz or so and another cut in the 320hz range with a regular eq. The cymbals are too loud and the snare not loud enough. I would try and balance out the drums first. Put a low cut filter at 120 hz on the snare and cymbals and a low cut filter on the bass at 50 hz.


I usually put a lo shelving filter on my kick at 40Hz with a cut of around -5dbs and a lo shelving filter at 51Hz on my bass with a cut up to -11dbs though I use a synth bass so it needs it. Anyhow, I like my bass to sit on top of the kick because I tend to mix like I was mixing a dance track. Old habits die hard. Also try a cut on the kick at about 320Hz to open up the mix.

Cool riff man and I like the solo too. I would put a low cut filter on that kick drum at say 40hz and also an eq cut at about 320hz on the kick, it's way boomy. You could turn it down too.

It's pretty common practice to put a high pass or low cut filter on guitar tracks at 120 hz or so. Have you tried that? Also, compress your guitars and see if that helps.
DSS: 120hz is way higher than I'd ever go on a rhythm guitar track. There's quite a bit of useful 'weight' to the sound from the cabinet at frequencies below 120hz. I filter off at the lowest range of the note being tuned to. (IE Low B @ 60hz, low D at 70hz, low E at 80hz).

I filter at around 80-65hz for rhythm guitars on most recordings, and I hi-pass too, but I'd have to take a look at one of my parametric settings to remember exactly where... someplace between 2 and 4k...


Oh yah, forgot you might tune down. In that case it's more of a bass guitar and 80hz should do it. No matter what 60hz is starting to push the lower range so if your recordings sound muddy and masked that's where you need to start looking.
 
Re: Test and some advice.

Lol. So I linked to the page and continued uploading other songs and I think you listened to one of my other ones. The one I'm talking about is a short one called 'Mesa?' - I just edited the original post to specify that, haha.

I assume you listened to tale of the sad kitty.

Thanks dude!

I fail.
 
Re: Test and some advice.

I like the riff I'm not sold on the amp model. Seems like you could use something with more mid range balls for that. Maybe one of the JCM800 models? It's very dry right now but you don't have other instruments on there so mix advice wouldn't mean much.
 
Re: Test and some advice.

Whatever one is pulling up right now when you fire the link is very cool. Kinda out there which I dig.

The video is cool too - especially since I'm one of those ADD types
 
Re: Test and some advice.

The first one on that page will be 'Dance of The Apocalyptic Flippermen' - inspired by me listening to way too much Mars Volta recently.

Certainly explains some slight 'out thereness', haha.

Thanks for the comments, folks, I'll play with some more models to see what I can do.
 
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