Thanks Bachtorock! My Hybrids Sounded So Great Last Night!

Re: Thanks Bachtorock! My Hybrids Sounded So Great Last Night!

STRATDELUXER97 said:
If you love the CC and you like the clean jangly highs of the 59,you'll love the 59/c hybrid...It's still chimey and clear,but it's also ballsy and it splits to 7k so you can get a pretty decent split tone with it also,but you need to use the Custom's slug coil...Add to the chime and balls,some extra special harmonic content and you have the hybrid...You really don't know too much about it until you try one..
That's where I may not like it, the jangly highs. I really don't like the jangly highs of the 59, that's why I like 250k pots with them. Keeps those highs rolled off some. Who knows, I might still like it. I'm sure I'll give it a shot at some point when extra $$ is available.
 
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ErikH said:
That's where I may not like it, the jangly highs. I really don't like the jangly highs of the 59, that's why I like 250k pots with them. Keeps those highs rolled off some. Who knows, I might still like it. I'm sure I'll give it a shot at some point when extra $$ is available.

The highs aren't like single coils,but not quite as dark as the CC....What you're basically getting is the best of both worlds between the 59 and the CC or C5 depending on what Alnico magnet you choose...It's something you'd just have to try for yourself..
 
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Great description of the tone! It does have a tighter low, but it still retains that vintage woodiness.

STRATDELUXER97 said:
A bit brighter but not alot,but it's tighter in the lows and feel and more direct and out front...

The A2 is sweeter and round sounding with that nice mild "squish" to the notes that I prefer in my bridge pickups...The A2 isn't at all muddy though!
 
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Man, you guys are pissin' me off with this stuff!! Looks like I'll have to give it a try here soon! I love it though....you guys are awesome!!

One question......all the excitement over the "new" single coils out and I've heard nothing since they've been out. I know it's only been a short time, but I figured someone should have them by now.
 
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What's the general C resistance of the hybrids, specifically the '59/Custom 5?
Thank you.
 
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My '59/C5 measured 11.5k, '59/Jazz was 7.8k
 
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MikeRocker said:
What's the general C resistance of the hybrids, specifically the '59/Custom 5?
Thank you.

11k to 11.5K from several I've made and seen so far...Goes to show you how consistent the 59 and custom coils are wound..

My Jazz/59N also reads 7.8K.
 
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That's the range... generally between 11k-11.5k

The Custom coils are usually about 7k-7.2k and the 59 coils are usually about 4.1k-4.3k
 
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BachToRock said:
That's the range... generally between 11k-11.5k

The Custom coils are usually about 7k-7.2k and the 59 coils are usually about 4.1k-4.3k

You da man Pete! :banana:
 
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PoorMan said:
Still haven't tried mine. :disappoin

I'm color sanding the guitar it's going in this weekend. So soon, very soon...

Done!

Just finished setup and plugged her into my Voodoo modded JCM800--Holy crap!!! This thing absolutely smokes! Not noisy at all (which I was worried about), harmonics galore, perfect output. I think I'm in love.

I built an EVH replica strat (the black and white one) and put the 59/Custom in there. This pickup is truly great. Single notes sound so musical and complex (much in the way a great P-90 sounds) it really sings. Thanks to BachToRock for hooking me up (and Stratdeluxer for spreading the word on hybrids.)

I realize this doesn't count as a full review. But with the holidays and all it'll have to do for now. This'll also give me a chance to play her for a while and get past the honeymoon period. But initial findings are a big time thumbs up. :banana:
 
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PoorMan said:
Done!

Just finished setup and plugged her into my Voodoo modded JCM800--Holy crap!!! This thing absolutely smokes! Not noisy at all (which I was worried about), harmonics galore, perfect output. I think I'm in love.

I built an EVH replica strat (the black and white one) and put the 59/Custom in there. This pickup is truly great. Single notes sound so musical and complex (much in the way a great P-90 sounds) it really sings. Thanks to BachToRock for hooking me up (and Stratdeluxer for spreading the word on hybrids.)

I realize this doesn't count as a full review. But with the holidays and all it'll have to do for now. This'll also give me a chance to play her for a while and get past the honeymoon period. But initial findings are a big time thumbs up. :banana:

Excellent! Glad the pickup(s) are working out great for you....I notice more harmonic content and it's not something I found real apparent until I replaced one of my hybrids with a stock SD pickup...It reminds me of a 59B pickup but it has the balls and the slight warmth you get from a CC (With an A2)...Once you're hooked on the Hybrid,you'll find out that a stock CC or a 59,is missing a little something that the Hybrid has...
 
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kinbote999 said:
sorry guys, newbie here. What is a hybrid pickup?

You mix a 59B screw bobbin to a Custom slug bobbin and decide on either A2,A3,A4,or A5 magnet...You end up with a very cool pickup that is the best of a 59 and a Custom pickup at around 11k or so...Do a search under "Hybrid" pickup or Bachtorock....
 
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PoorMan said:
Done!

Just finished setup and plugged her into my Voodoo modded JCM800--Holy crap!!! This thing absolutely smokes! Not noisy at all (which I was worried about), harmonics galore, perfect output. I think I'm in love.

I built an EVH replica strat (the black and white one) and put the 59/Custom in there. This pickup is truly great. Single notes sound so musical and complex (much in the way a great P-90 sounds) it really sings. Thanks to BachToRock for hooking me up (and Stratdeluxer for spreading the word on hybrids.)

I realize this doesn't count as a full review. But with the holidays and all it'll have to do for now. This'll also give me a chance to play her for a while and get past the honeymoon period. But initial findings are a big time thumbs up. :banana:

The POORMAN is now rich with good tone!
Your initial perceptions are spot on...
Can't wait to hear your additional thoughts after the honeymoon is over...
 
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THE FOLLOWING IS FROM ANOTHER POST TO PRE-ANSWER THE NON-SEARCHERS QUESTION... "What is a Hybrid":
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=22538&highlight=hybrid
The problem when you overwind a PAF style 42 guage wire pickup(59 Model, Seth, EVH, etc.) is that it starts getting garbled sounding above about 9k just as MJ has informed you...

To achieve a more beefy tone and retain clarity, you need to step to a thinner wire and wind more turns... ala the Custom models which use 43 guage wire coils wound to just above 14k which is the optimal range for tone with that wire...

The next step is the JB & Distortion which are wound up to about 16k with 44 gauge wire which is the optimal range for THAT wire.

Each wire has its "sweet spot" for tone and response and they all end up with about the same size coil... each wire also produces a unique set of harmonics

The comprimise when producing a "hot" pickup is that you lose some of the articulation and dynamic response of the PAF and start to suffer from compression due to the signal travelling through a greater length of thinner wire. There are benefits and comprimises with each unique design.

With the Hybrid you get a blend of the different gauge wires qualities... also, each coil has a different resonant peak so the combination is less "peaky" or "one notey" than a standard humbucker. The mis-matched coils also cancel less harmonics so the tone is more complex and posseses some qualities exclusive to single coil pickups.

The coils are actually not very mis-matched since they have roughly the same amount of copper on the coil... you can't just use the resistance reading as a balance indicator
The difference in resistance readings is because a 59 coil is wound with 42 gauge wire and a Custom coil is wound with 43 gauge wire which is thinner and electronically more resistive, add the additional turns it takes to fill the coil and your resistance reading is going to be a lot higher than a 42 gauge coil... the key factor is that they have about the same amount of copper on the coil which is what reacts to produce sound when the magnetic field is stimulated by the vibration of the strings.

An example of a widely mis-matched humbucker is the FRALIN UN-BUCKER which has coils of the SAME gauge wire wound pretty far apart... the resistance measurement may only be 1k or so, but that is with 42 gauge wire which will produce 2 coils with a big difference in the amount of actual copper... I tried one of those and did not like it at all... the resonant peak produced by that 3.5k 42 gauge coil was shrill sounding to my ears.

I hope I have explained this in understandable terminology...

There is a consistant misunderstanding on the forum of how pickups work... ESPECIALLY in regards to resistance measurements... different gauge wires produce a different responses, harmonics and tone... that is why there are different models made with 42 gauge(59 Model, JAZZ, APII, etc), 43 gauge(Custom) and 44 gauge(JB,Distortion, etc...)
Seymour has nailed the optimal winds for wire each of the standard gauge & type and that is why his pickups are generally regarded as the best... the majority of all the different models available are just variations of magnet type/size, coverd/uncoverd, potted/un-potted and different polepieces.

Hybrids made using Duncan coils are the best pickups I have ever heard...
The finest Bridge pickup being the Alnico 59/Custom Hybrid... the JB/Custom is also very cool for more modern tone...
The Neck pickup of choice is the 59/Jazz Hybrid...
DiMarzio has patents on this type of design so you will not be seeing them in the Duncan lineup anytime soon.
 
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BachToRock said:
THE FOLLOWING IS FROM ANOTHER POST TO PRE-ANSWER THE NON-SEARCHERS QUESTION... "What is a Hybrid":
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=22538&highlight=hybrid
The problem when you overwind a PAF style 42 guage wire pickup(59 Model, Seth, EVH, etc.) is that it starts getting garbled sounding above about 9k just as MJ has informed you...

To achieve a more beefy tone and retain clarity, you need to step to a thinner wire and wind more turns... ala the Custom models which use 43 guage wire coils wound to just above 14k which is the optimal range for tone with that wire...

The next step is the JB & Distortion which are wound up to about 16k with 44 gauge wire which is the optimal range for THAT wire.

Each wire has its "sweet spot" for tone and response and they all end up with about the same size coil... each wire also produces a unique set of harmonics

The comprimise when producing a "hot" pickup is that you lose some of the articulation and dynamic response of the PAF and start to suffer from compression due to the signal travelling through a greater length of thinner wire. There are benefits and comprimises with each unique design.

With the Hybrid you get a blend of the different gauge wires qualities... also, each coil has a different resonant peak so the combination is less "peaky" or "one notey" than a standard humbucker. The mis-matched coils also cancel less harmonics so the tone is more complex and posseses some qualities exclusive to single coil pickups.

The coils are actually not very mis-matched since they have roughly the same amount of copper on the coil... you can't just use the resistance reading as a balance indicator
The difference in resistance readings is because a 59 coil is wound with 42 gauge wire and a Custom coil is wound with 43 gauge wire which is thinner and electronically more resistive, add the additional turns it takes to fill the coil and your resistance reading is going to be a lot higher than a 42 gauge coil... the key factor is that they have about the same amount of copper on the coil which is what reacts to produce sound when the magnetic field is stimulated by the vibration of the strings.

An example of a widely mis-matched humbucker is the FRALIN UN-BUCKER which has coils of the SAME gauge wire wound pretty far apart... the resistance measurement may only be 1k or so, but that is with 42 gauge wire which will produce 2 coils with a big difference in the amount of actual copper... I tried one of those and did not like it at all... the resonant peak produced by that 3.5k 42 gauge coil was shrill sounding to my ears.

I hope I have explained this in understandable terminology...

There is a consistant misunderstanding on the forum of how pickups work... ESPECIALLY in regards to resistance measurements... different gauge wires produce a different responses, harmonics and tone... that is why there are different models made with 42 gauge(59 Model, JAZZ, APII, etc), 43 gauge(Custom) and 44 gauge(JB,Distortion, etc...)
Seymour has nailed the optimal winds for wire each of the standard gauge & type and that is why his pickups are generally regarded as the best... the majority of all the different models available are just variations of magnet type/size, coverd/uncoverd, potted/un-potted and different polepieces.

Hybrids made using Duncan coils are the best pickups I have ever heard...
The finest Bridge pickup being the Alnico 59/Custom Hybrid... the JB/Custom is also very cool for more modern tone...
The Neck pickup of choice is the 59/Jazz Hybrid...
DiMarzio has patents on this type of design so you will not be seeing them in the Duncan lineup anytime soon.

Hoefully this wonderful info will get "vaulted"?
 
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