That special Tele "something" (Warning: Long)

Rich_S

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I have a MIM Nashville Tele - CAR poly over an alder (I'm pretty sure) body. Maple neck with the upgraded Schaller-style tuners. Electronics aren't the problem - it's the unplugged sound I'm not happy with. It's just always seemed dead to me - it lacks "snap". I tried changing the original vintage style six-saddle bridge to a compensated 3-saddle Wilkinson, with no major difference. Yes, the guitar has been set up by a respected locel shop.

On the other hand, my Schecter PT also has a MIM maple neck and alder body, same tuners. It DOES have that certain "snap" the Fender is lacking. It too was setup by the same shop.

I've been thinking the problem lies with the MIM body. They are generally thought to be less consistent than the American series. So, I've started looking into replacing the body.

I figured I ought to try and find out what I do like before spending $$$ on a replacement body. So today at lunch time, I stopped by the shop to try various Teles. I told the salesman my problem. He said, "You know what's one of the nicecst Tele's in here? This one..." and handed me a Mexican-made CAR Muddy Waters Tele. I was skeptical - it had a rosewood board and brass bridge saddles - not a formula for bright and snappy in my book. I played a few chords and he was right - it sounded just like I want mine to sound.

We talked some more, and I told him about a MIJ 62 Custom I owned years ago, saying that was a good Tele in my book, but I sold it in favor of something else. He said, "Hey, we have a used one of them in stock." Nice axe (it should be for $750) - sunburst double bound with a rosewood board and steel threaded-style bridge saddles. Like the one I used to own, the neck was thin (meaning shallow front-to-back). "Bright" and "snappy" were not the words for this guitar. Yes, it seemed to emphasize the high end, but "thin" is a better description. Not as good as the Muddy.

Before I had to run, I tried another Tele, a plain American Standard. Maple neck, modern-style 6-saddle bridge. This one sounded dull and flat, with even less of that elusive "snap" than even my MIM.

I'm perplexed. I'm also not in a position to drop $650 on the Muddy. Furthermore, my guitar is a Nashville with the swimming pool route. I'd be really reluctant to buy the Muddy, then immedately route it out for a center Strat pickup and neck mini-hum. I'm starting to think that I just need to stick with what I've got, since it's been customized with the pickups and hardware I like. If I just play it plugged in, maybe I can ignore the problem.

I'm also reluctant to buy a different body for it, since I'm having trouble identifying what I do want; the guitars I've tried in an attempt to narrow it down have been all over the map, sometimes in unexpected directions.

Help! Discuss.
 
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Re: That special Tele "something" (Warning: Long)

Maybe a used USACG or Warmoth? If you are patient good deals do come along. You can recoup a few bucks if you sell the MIM body later.

If you are not happy with the guitar, you are not happy with it.
 
Re: That special Tele "something" (Warning: Long)

As i've said before Rich i have a 1999 MIM Tele Standard that is just amazing.... But the magic behind my tele i feel has a lot to do with the neck wood more then the body. For whatever the reason that neck just feels alive... The body is good too but the neck is most of the magic for sure behind my tele i think.

Have you ever thought of trying say a Mahogany tele body Rich?

Or maybe you could trade the whole guitar in when you find a much better version... maybe avoid the aftermarket body swap. I have a 99 MIM Strat that i like but i know the new ones with the larger frets are more for me then this older one... i'm going to return my MIM strat to stock specs and just wait and see if i can find one that speaks to me.... then use mine to trade in.
 
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Maybe a used USACG or Warmoth? If you are patient good deals do come along.
There are planty of bodies around that I can afford - it's that I don't know what type to look for. My testing today was inconclusive if not counter-intuitive. I played my MIM when I got home, and rate it the second-best of the four Teles I played today. Muddy was the best, then minem then the MIJ 62 Custom (too thin), then the American Standard (dull and flat). Seems like any body I buy is going to be a crap shoot.

...But the magic behind my tele i feel has a lot to do with the neck wood more then the body. For whatever the reason that neck just feels alive... The body is good too but the neck is most of the magic for sure behind my tele i think.

Have you ever thought of trying say a Mahogany tele body Rich?

Or maybe you could trade the whole guitar in when you find a much better version... maybe avoid the aftermarket body swap. I have a 99 MIM Strat that i like but i know the new ones with the larger frets are more for me then this older one...

Both my axes have nearly the same neck: both maple, both MIM, same tuners. But the PT sounds better. I guess appearances can be deceiving - I suppose the Nashville's neck could just be a dog piecec of maple, even though it look just like the PT's.

Fret size is something else that has been counter-intuitive. My Nashville has the newer, medium frets. Logic says is should sound better than the PT, which has an older MIM neck with those skinny little frets nobody likes.

I started thinking along your lines today... maybe I just have to keep it as-is, and play every Tele that comes along, waiting for the one that suits me (and that I can afford).

Unless any one has any magic-bullet suggestions for snappy-fying a slightly dead Tele, that is.
 
Re: That special Tele "something" (Warning: Long)

just be patient and stick to your guns!!! you know what you want!
 
Re: That special Tele "something" (Warning: Long)

If you buy a used body you can try it out, and if you don't like it you should be able to recoup most, if not all, of your cost.
 
Re: That special Tele "something" (Warning: Long)

yeah...try to score a used Muddy body!
 
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Ah-ha! I did a little research on the fender website this evening. I'm pretty sure the Tele I thought was an American yesterday was actually a "Standard", meaning the new MIM Standard.

I also found out what separates the Muddy from all the others. According to the Fender site, the Muddy Waters in the only one I played that had an ash body. All the others were alder (I'm pretty sure the MIJ 62 Custom was alder.)

So, I now think I'm looking for an ash body - those Mighty Mites are looking more interesting.
 
Re: That special Tele "something" (Warning: Long)

man I played my highway 1 tele tonight on a blues gig...I hadn't played it in a while and so i took my two guitars I've played the least lately to the gig. my GOD my tone totally smoked the other guitarist playing with me. He was *scrambling* to get a better tone just to keep up with me. It was amazing. i also took my strings and things custom that I decked out....man both of them just sounded good but the tele was killer. The reason I haven't played it much is because the club I play at the most has bad wiring, and on a single single-coil setting, it hums like crazy so I need a strat (notch positions 2 and 4) or a humbucker guitar to keep it from huming, but I bit the bullet, rolled the tone back just a little and man it was smoking. I love that guitar :)
 
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