The 2 x 12: How do like it served? Combo, Combo+Extension, or Head+Cab.

The 2 x 12: How do like it served? Combo, Combo+Extension, or Head+Cab.


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dr0

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I was thinking about the ubiquitous 2x12 set up. It seems a lot of people end up there. The 4x12 half stack certainly isn't going anywhere, and is still the go-to configuration for a lot of players, but the 2x12 has always had a strong following, too. I seem to notice that it's the favorite of a lot of the regulars on this forum.

Early on Fender built his powerful amps in both 4x10 and 2x12 combos. The 4x10's have always had a loyal following, but the 2x12 was the bread and butter go-to amp for a lot of people. In the 1970s the Twin Reverb (and it's competitors) was just *the* amp that people used, if they weren't using Marshall stacks. Where as even a full stack is a somewhat intimidating look (this band is gonna be loud and hard), the 2x12 just looks friendly and professional.
Blues, jazz, and country players all seem to prefer twins. A lot of rock players have gone through periods of using twins: Clapton is famous for the Beano-era Marshall Bluesbreaker, but also used Musicman 130 Twins, and now uses Fender Tweed Twin custom shop amps.

I tend to think of the original Mesa Boogie as the guys who popularized the 1x12 combo with a 1x12 extension cab. The original Mesa amps were small: lore has it they were based on a Princeton, and the extension cabs were small too. You ended up with the 2 x 12 format, but it was a little easier to move than a full on twin.

It seems like in the last few years the boutique brands and indy cab builders have done a lot to revitalize the Head + 2x12 extension cab format. This format has a long and storied past too. The first ones I can think of were Leo Fender's Blonde and Brownface era "Piggyback" Bassman, which had a horizontal 2x12 cab that the head sat on. The Fender Bandmaster was another from this era. More recently the vertical 2x12 has been the configuration of choice, often provided in "slant cab" format. Both open and closed (as well as convertible) versions from guys like Dr. Z. seem to be the new favorite for a lot of players who have owned everything, like the denizens of Amplifier Central.

The latest interesting variation of packaging of two twelves is the "Mini Stack", offered by Orange, Mesa and EVH, and enabled in part by the trend towards smaller "lunchbox" sized amps. A small head and two separate 1x12 cabs, sometimes with the top one being angled (looking) to create a mini Marshall stack effect. I've never actually seen one of these used in anger at a club, unlike the other formats which are all pretty common, but it's still a pretty new idea, so it's only a matter of time I suspect.

The percent of "open backed-ness" varies among these setups. Combos are always open-backed (at least that I've seen). The mini-stacks are always closed back, mimicking the big 4x12 full stacks accurately in that regard. The 2x12 cabinet is made in both configs, and convertable ones are available too, so what ever you prefer. And the most common format in the combo + extension cab is that the extension cab is closed (or closed and ported, as in the original Boogie design), which means the setup contains BOTH a open cab (the combo) for the open-ness thing, AND a closed cab, for the tighter bass response. (One reason some of you may vote for that as the best setup, I predict.)

No matter how you package it, the 2x12 is loved my many and hated by few. The reason no doubt starts with the 12" speaker: theere are a plethora of designs, including many very classic speakers like the Celestion Greenbacks, and Creambacks, more recent cult offerings like the Eminence Cannibas Rex, super-high power speakers, and super vintage low power reproductions. Replacing speakers in a 2x12 format set up is cheaper than replacing them in a cab, and many people like the results of mixed setups. 2x12 setups are a speaker tinkerer's dream.

The downsides are few. Not as loud as 4x12 half-stack, or a full stack but still plenty loud. (And, we are about 30 years into the the "House PA" era.) The classic Twin is the heaviest format of amp out there, excepting perhaps some heavily built 4x12 cabs. And even those are always a bit easier to move than the twin, given they usually have wheels on them. (I don't know about you but no way I'm going to roll anything with tubes across an asphalt parking lot.)

It is a the "player's choice" for a lot of musicians, and has been for 50 years. No matter how you like it packaged and delivered the two 12" speaker set-up is powerful, versatile, and reasonably compact and portable.

What's your choice? Post pictures if you got' em', and as always have fun and keep rockin'!
 
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Re: The 2 x 12: How do like it served? Combo, Combo+Extension, or Head+Cab.

I was using two separate 12” cabs. Even easier to transport and could obviously be down sized when desired.


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Re: The 2 x 12: How do like it served? Combo, Combo+Extension, or Head+Cab.

Oops, I hit the wrong one. I meant to hit 4×12. I like them for one key reason: you never have to guess whether or not they are gonna be loud enough. Unless you have horribly inefficient speakers, 4×12s are gonna be more than loud enough for most applications. And if not, that's what a full stack is for. They also help keep you in shape.
 
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I loved my Mesa 2x12 Horizontal Recto Cab and ought not to have sold it. At least I kept the drivers, which were original British-made Mesa Vintage 30’s.
 
Re: The 2 x 12: How do like it served? Combo, Combo+Extension, or Head+Cab.

I do the 2x12 + head setup. Still a bit bulky to transport but I can get as big a sound with that as my old 4x12.
 
Re: The 2 x 12: How do like it served? Combo, Combo+Extension, or Head+Cab.

I voted Head + 2x12 Cab, but I also love a great 2x12 combo, like a Mesa Roadster.
 
Re: The 2 x 12: How do like it served? Combo, Combo+Extension, or Head+Cab.

Thanks for the responses.

Please remember to vote!
 
Re: The 2 x 12: How do like it served? Combo, Combo+Extension, or Head+Cab.

Time for some pictures to decorate this thread. Let's start with some classic 2x12 Combo Amps.

1954 Low Power Tweed Twin
twin-54.jpg

1955 Tweed Twin
twin-55.jpg

This looks like the current Fender Custom Shop Repo 1957 Tweed Twin, about $3000. new.
A lot of old rockers seem to love this amp, or similar variations. Clapton has been using them for years, so has Keith Richards.
(and they have pretty different styles and sounds, so the Tweed Twin is still a versatile amp, despite have no bells and whistles, whatsoever.
twin-repo.jpg

The Blonde's came out around 1961 in the Twin format. Here's a couple of blonde twins, you might even say "twin twins":
twin-blonde2.jpg twin-blond.jpg
 
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The Brownface followed the Blondes, I think they are usually considered the same generation, just with slight tweeks. My favorite looking Fender era, and a nice sounding era too.
Both Blonde and Brown added Vibrato controls to the Amp, which the Tweed era amps lacked.
twin - brownface.jpg

Next up was the Blackface, and the Twin (2x12) soldiered on as a top choice for just about everyone. Blackface Fenders now included reverb!
twin- blackface.jpg twin- black 2.jpg

Which eventually led to the Silverface. I owned one of these way back circa 1978, and it's a sonic blow torch. Had no problem keep up with the OGP (Other Guitar Player) with his Marshall 1/2 stack.
Clean headroom thy-name is Fender Silverface Twin Reverb!
twin-silver.jpg twin-silver2.jpg
 
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I voted head+212, but a good 112 or even 110 combo + a 212 cab is awesome too, especially if both the cab and combo's speaker will run together.
This way you run the combo alone, the combo with cab only (combo speaker unplugged), or all speakers in unison together.
 
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After the 1x12 combo, which Fender makes about 30 different flavors of (Deluxes, custom Princetons, Super Sonics, BassBreakers, Hot Rods, Blues' Jr.'s, etc.) the 2x12 combo is the next most popular, which is reflected by the many models they offer.
Current offerings lnclude:

* Hot Rod DeVille 212 IV
* Hot Rod Deville 212 III
* Hot Rod Deville ML 212
* '65 Twin Reverb (Silverface cosmetics)
* '57 Custom Shop Twin (Tweed Twin)
... and a SuperSonic 2x12 cabinet.

and these are just the Professional and Tube amps, there may well be more solid-state ones I didn't search for.
 
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Any one here like mixing and matching speaker sizes?
 
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Marshall has always been a big advocate of 2x12 amp/speaker combinations, in several configurations, starting with the famous "Bluesbreaker" combo:

twin- bluesbreaker.jpg

They still make a RI version, of course:

twin-bluebreaker.jpg

Here's a nice picture I found that give a good comparison of a combo, 2x12 head and cab and the classic 4x12 half stack. The combon in question, the 1974x is a 1x12, not a 2x12.

twin- marshall comparo.jpg
 
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I like the 2x12 cab. I can switch out the head depending on the gig and it fits in the trunk.

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Marshall has made 2x12 combos of most of their 50 watt and 100 watt amps over the years. The heads are most iconic, but there are a lot of 2x12 combos out there in clubs and practice rooms.
Here's a couple of JCM 800 era twins. I say "era" because basically most 1980s Marshalls were JCM-800, and there are a huge number of variations - horizontal inputs, vertical inputs, single inputs, etc.


twin-jcm 800.jpg

Twin-JMC800_vert.jpg

the "Lead Series" I believe came later in the 1980s
twin-JCM-800-Lead.jpg

Marshall built the occasional red amp back in the day, and of course some have been recovered.
twin-jcm800-red.jpg
 
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And, they still build some high-end 2x12 combos like this JVM 205C 50 watt, two channel and two 12" speakers:

twin-JVM205c.jpg
 
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MESA MINI STACK:
mesa-ministack1.jpg

MESA COMBO + EXTENSION:
Mesa+Cab.jpg mesa+cab 2.jpg

MESA HEAD & 2x12 RECTIFIER VERTICAL SLANT CAB:
Mesa 2x12 rectocab.jpg

MESA HEAD & 2x12 HORIZONTAL:
Mesa-2x12-horizontal.jpg

MESA 2x12 COMBO AMP: Originally these came in both a 4x10 combo and a 2x12 combo, but the 4x10 is discontinued. As usual, the two 12" speaker format prevails.
mesa lonestar combo.jpg mesa lonestar combo2.jpg
 
Re: The 2 x 12: How do like it served? Combo, Combo+Extension, or Head+Cab.

I did a little math, so you don't have to, if you are curious,

Using all the same amp head/combo from Mesa, the 5:25 I came up with these figures:

Mini Stack (Head, Two 1x12 Cabs) 93 lbs, heaviest component 34 lbs, total height 48"
Head and 2x12 Vertical Slant Cab 102 lbs, heaviest component 75 lbs, total height 37"
1x12 Combo and Extension Cab 81 lbs, heaviest component 45 lbs, total height 33.5"
2x12 Combo Amp (Lone Star) 79 lbs, heaviest component 79 lbs, total height 20"

There you go!
 
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