"The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
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blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
'57's are one of the more so-so PAF's. Priced in the boutique range, but can't keep up with them tone-wise. Overrated PU's, and put in way too many Gibson models.
'57's are one of the more so-so PAF's. Priced in the boutique range, but can't keep up with them tone-wise. Overrated PU's, and put in way too many Gibson models.
Drunken Bowling
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Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
I agree. I'd been hearing about them for about 20 years, everyone seemed to like them. Then when I tried 'em I was less than blown away. Kinda disappointed. They seem to lack midrange. Then again, this was right after a long stretch of using a LP studio with a DiMarzio Super Distortion in the bridge.
I agree. I'd been hearing about them for about 20 years, everyone seemed to like them. Then when I tried 'em I was less than blown away. Kinda disappointed. They seem to lack midrange. Then again, this was right after a long stretch of using a LP studio with a DiMarzio Super Distortion in the bridge.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
To me, they have an overly rounded high-end, especially in LP's. I think most of the guys that rave about '57's haven't played many, if any, other PAF's.
To me, they have an overly rounded high-end, especially in LP's. I think most of the guys that rave about '57's haven't played many, if any, other PAF's.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
How could you forget? The best PU's Gibson's made in years.
How could you forget? The best PU's Gibson's made in years.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
Good point...the Reverse V, Zoot Suit SG's, the V2...
Good point...the Reverse V, Zoot Suit SG's, the V2...
LtKojak
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Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
The BB Pros sound pretty decent with an A3/UOA5 mod.
The A5 mags Gibson uses are horribly shrill... they're usable only if they're degaussed by at least 40%, but, at roughly the same charge, an UOA5 mag just blow'em out of the water, tone-wise.
HTH,
The BB Pros sound pretty decent with an A3/UOA5 mod.
The A5 mags Gibson uses are horribly shrill... they're usable only if they're degaussed by at least 40%, but, at roughly the same charge, an UOA5 mag just blow'em out of the water, tone-wise.
HTH,
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
+1. You have to wonder who's making the decision in the PU department, and what goes on there is obviously not a high priorty for the company. For the company that invented HB's, to offer what they do today...no wonder so many aftermarket companies exist. Many have surpassed them in tone quality and selection. That they use single lead wires on the vast majority of their stock HB's (and 4 lead in the grossly over-priced aftermarket ones) tells you something. How much are they saving? Like their normal pricing structure can't absorb that. You look at Seymour and you see a lifelong passion and quest for tone quality, same with the boutique makers; I'm not seeing a Gibson equivalent.
+1. You have to wonder who's making the decision in the PU department, and what goes on there is obviously not a high priorty for the company. For the company that invented HB's, to offer what they do today...no wonder so many aftermarket companies exist. Many have surpassed them in tone quality and selection. That they use single lead wires on the vast majority of their stock HB's (and 4 lead in the grossly over-priced aftermarket ones) tells you something. How much are they saving? Like their normal pricing structure can't absorb that. You look at Seymour and you see a lifelong passion and quest for tone quality, same with the boutique makers; I'm not seeing a Gibson equivalent.
Edgecrusher
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Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
Wait so are you saying not all A5 mags are created equal? :reporter:
Wait so are you saying not all A5 mags are created equal? :reporter:
Edgecrusher
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Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
Gibson is a guitar maker Seymour is a pickup maker. To that end Gibson doesnt seem to lend the weight to the pickups that others do but this makes sense considering how often they get swapped. If someone is going to swap them anyways why not save yourself the 50 cents per pickup and make a cheaper one cause they are going to buy the guitar anyways.
Gibson is a guitar maker Seymour is a pickup maker. To that end Gibson doesnt seem to lend the weight to the pickups that others do but this makes sense considering how often they get swapped. If someone is going to swap them anyways why not save yourself the 50 cents per pickup and make a cheaper one cause they are going to buy the guitar anyways.
LtKojak
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Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
There are at least three cast and one sintered A5 grades recognized officially.
Plus, every foundry has their own recipes...
Type Wiki Alnico and read...
There are at least three cast and one sintered A5 grades recognized officially.
Plus, every foundry has their own recipes...
Type Wiki Alnico and read...
Edgecrusher
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Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
You realize no one forces you to participate right? No need for all the snark. The question is legitimate and is in particular relevant to many discussions around here. If not all A5's are equal then shouldnt it be stated exactly what A5 is being used? and i mean beyond the normal polished and UO A5. If gibson uses a different grade this is useful knowledge to the people around here.
You realize no one forces you to participate right? No need for all the snark. The question is legitimate and is in particular relevant to many discussions around here. If not all A5's are equal then shouldnt it be stated exactly what A5 is being used? and i mean beyond the normal polished and UO A5. If gibson uses a different grade this is useful knowledge to the people around here.
LtKojak
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Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
If you look at the history, Gibson was and still is, a guitar-selling company. P'ups, and from the very beginning, always were considered a "necessary evil" to sell'em "electric guitars".
50 years and three bankruptcies later, they still consider p'ups nothing more than an afterthought. I guess Gibson likes to call it "tradition".
If you look at the history, Gibson was and still is, a guitar-selling company. P'ups, and from the very beginning, always were considered a "necessary evil" to sell'em "electric guitars".
50 years and three bankruptcies later, they still consider p'ups nothing more than an afterthought. I guess Gibson likes to call it "tradition".
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
Same idiots that make decisions like 490/498. If I worked there I'd put:
59's in Studios
PG's in Standards
PG/Custom in Customs and be done with it.
If it was a "Metal" LP - Distortion Set
If it was a reissue, Seths.
Might release a few with assorted: 59's, A2P's PG's, PG/59, A2P/PG on a whim.
Same idiots that make decisions like 490/498. If I worked there I'd put:
59's in Studios
PG's in Standards
PG/Custom in Customs and be done with it.
If it was a "Metal" LP - Distortion Set
If it was a reissue, Seths.
Might release a few with assorted: 59's, A2P's PG's, PG/59, A2P/PG on a whim.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
But Gibson is a PU maker. They were a world innovator in that field, & have produced some of the world's best, and most copied PU's. It's disappointing that they've taken a back seat and let so many others surpass them.
But Gibson is a PU maker. They were a world innovator in that field, & have produced some of the world's best, and most copied PU's. It's disappointing that they've taken a back seat and let so many others surpass them.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
I'm still trying to figure that pairing out, and it's been put in so many models of guitars.
I'm still trying to figure that pairing out, and it's been put in so many models of guitars.
Edgecrusher
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Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
BS they havent been an innovater in 60 years and the only reason they did then was there was no aftermarket for them to buy them from so they HAD to design them in house. You seem to forget that with the PAF they didnt set out to create the be all end all epic pickup. All that was asked was a noisless replacement for the P90 they didnt think it was particularly revolutionary or special. Just cause they have made pickups doesnt make them a pickup maker, at the end of the day their real goal is to build guitars.
BS they havent been an innovater in 60 years and the only reason they did then was there was no aftermarket for them to buy them from so they HAD to design them in house. You seem to forget that with the PAF they didnt set out to create the be all end all epic pickup. All that was asked was a noisless replacement for the P90 they didnt think it was particularly revolutionary or special. Just cause they have made pickups doesnt make them a pickup maker, at the end of the day their real goal is to build guitars.
Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
Re: "The" Classic Les Paul Pickup?
At some point, you just have to sit back and let them take you over. I think when Dimarzio introduced the SuperD, so many people started using aftermarket pups and Gibson said "**** it, give them a good guitar they can put in their pickups, they will anyways." They've released some good ones, so that it doesn't always come down to that, but I feel that that's how Gibson is working now.
At some point, you just have to sit back and let them take you over. I think when Dimarzio introduced the SuperD, so many people started using aftermarket pups and Gibson said "**** it, give them a good guitar they can put in their pickups, they will anyways." They've released some good ones, so that it doesn't always come down to that, but I feel that that's how Gibson is working now.
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