i just spoke with Vinny, & i was correct in the thickness , he can not get the material for the thick ones 1/4'' the ones he sells now is 1/8'' thick, lucky i called , he hads one 1/4'' thick one left , only it was 2 1/4 '' long instead of 2 1/2 '' length, it is on its way here, i am glad i read this thread today,