The Microphone Poll: SM57, I5, or ???
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wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: The Microphone Poll: SM57, I5, or ???
I'm not sure which Heil you're talking about here Mr Moose, I'd say the PR-40 is probably much closer to the mics you've mentioned, rather than the PR-30, which is a slightly different beastie again. But certainly agreed that they are in the same quality bracket, which makes the PR-30 a bargain because it is considerably cheaper than all of those. From my perspective, after years of working on getting good tone from the amp and having a feel for its place in a mix, I'm not too keen on adding 8 dB @ 4k from a mic, which is why I don't like to see an e609 on any cab I'm playing through. The relatively flat response of the PR-30 is what makes it attractive to me, after years of going back and forth from amp room to monitors having to make compensations for the 'sound' of a microphone.
From your perspective as an engineer and producer, I can understand the value in having all kinds of colors of microphone in the kit for various applications. An e609 on a muddy guitar amp could be just the ticket, and that extra 8dB of glass could come in handy, but for me it's a definite vibe killer, because getting an accurate representation of the tone I'm creating at the amp is what I'm after, a job at which the PR-30 excels at its price point.
Cheers................................... wahwah
I'm not sure which Heil you're talking about here Mr Moose, I'd say the PR-40 is probably much closer to the mics you've mentioned, rather than the PR-30, which is a slightly different beastie again. But certainly agreed that they are in the same quality bracket, which makes the PR-30 a bargain because it is considerably cheaper than all of those. From my perspective, after years of working on getting good tone from the amp and having a feel for its place in a mix, I'm not too keen on adding 8 dB @ 4k from a mic, which is why I don't like to see an e609 on any cab I'm playing through. The relatively flat response of the PR-30 is what makes it attractive to me, after years of going back and forth from amp room to monitors having to make compensations for the 'sound' of a microphone.
From your perspective as an engineer and producer, I can understand the value in having all kinds of colors of microphone in the kit for various applications. An e609 on a muddy guitar amp could be just the ticket, and that extra 8dB of glass could come in handy, but for me it's a definite vibe killer, because getting an accurate representation of the tone I'm creating at the amp is what I'm after, a job at which the PR-30 excels at its price point.
Cheers................................... wahwah
J Moose
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Re: The Microphone Poll: SM57, I5, or ???
hahaha
Well yeah... if you don't like the presence peak of a 609 then I can only imagine that your displeasure in hearing what a 57 does to your rig can only be on par with my own! hahaha
Hey, in my world there are no hardcore standards... there's some $20 mics right next to the $2000 ones... It's all about application.
I'd go a bit further but right now I'm playing hooky from work... wrestling a mix with what has to be one of the 3 worst kick drum sounds i've ever heard & awaiting dinner via delivery... barbecue chicken and pesto sandwich with swiss & jalepeno jack cheese. I'm starving!!!
Catch 'ya on the flip!
hahaha
Well yeah... if you don't like the presence peak of a 609 then I can only imagine that your displeasure in hearing what a 57 does to your rig can only be on par with my own! hahaha
Hey, in my world there are no hardcore standards... there's some $20 mics right next to the $2000 ones... It's all about application.
I'd go a bit further but right now I'm playing hooky from work... wrestling a mix with what has to be one of the 3 worst kick drum sounds i've ever heard & awaiting dinner via delivery... barbecue chicken and pesto sandwich with swiss & jalepeno jack cheese. I'm starving!!!
Catch 'ya on the flip!
J Moose
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Re: The Microphone Poll: SM57, I5, or ???
someone asked what hte Royers sound like...
On the royer demo disc, last track... Steve Albini had recorded comparisons on various instruments... guitars, horns, drums... r121 to 57, u67 & a few others.
here, I found it while noshing...
http://www.royerlabs.com/democd/democd_tr20-24.html
Back to the grind for me...
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someone asked what hte Royers sound like...
On the royer demo disc, last track... Steve Albini had recorded comparisons on various instruments... guitars, horns, drums... r121 to 57, u67 & a few others.
here, I found it while noshing...
http://www.royerlabs.com/democd/democd_tr20-24.html
Back to the grind for me...
= /
That90'sGuy
DyzaBoyzologist
Re: The Microphone Poll: SM57, I5, or ???
Thanks Moose, clips done by none other than Steve Albini, freakin' sweet! :friday:
Thanks Moose, clips done by none other than Steve Albini, freakin' sweet! :friday:
drpietrzak
New member
Re: The Microphone Poll: SM57, I5, or ???
Heil PR-30. I love it.
Heil PR-30. I love it.
J Moose
New member
Re: The Microphone Poll: SM57, I5, or ???
ahhhh... finally breathing a bit...
Now then!
Geoff, I dunno man. I find that the 609s & 409s produce a tone on guitar amps & leslie cabs that pleases most people and is usually very workable within the context of a mix without becoming offending. Certainly I feel those mics are "flatter" or at much truer to the actual sound of a rig then a 57 or many other options. The Royer 121's certainly aren't "flat" but lots of people like those...
Though, you say you like a very true response? How about an omni mic? Maybe a dynamic like the EV635? Or an Earthworks? Maybe a 414 TLII is more to your liking? Or a KM184?
I've used, and continue to use all kinds of mics solo and in combination on guitar amps...
R121 & SF1; 409; 609; 421; 441; U87s; TLM103; 193; 47Fets; M147; U67 (when around!); SM69; Beyer M88; M260; 201; EV RE20; Rode NTV; Blue baby bottles & bottles; CMV563; various 414s but not the old silver EBs; D112, D12; 451s, Shure Beta 52; Green Bullets; SM81; crown PZMs; AT4050; 4047; etc. etc.
Whatever works in the context of the music... the larger picture and makes everyone happy. Thats what I like. I'm also one of those freaks who doesn't believe in "guitar" mics, or "vocal" mics... or "drum" mics.
Microphones are microphones.
I use 'em for recording.
Sometimes you need a #2 phillps... sometimes a framing hammer, and other times a cement mixer and 3 meter level with a couple of trowels is whats needed to get the job done.
Funny though, last weekend I did a theater gig... brought the Nuendo rig in with a splitter and bank of preamps behind the stage... had some of the guys from Railroad Earth on stage with the main act... and with about two dozen inputs there wasn't a single SM57 or 58 used the entire night!
ahhhh... finally breathing a bit...
Now then!
Geoff, I dunno man. I find that the 609s & 409s produce a tone on guitar amps & leslie cabs that pleases most people and is usually very workable within the context of a mix without becoming offending. Certainly I feel those mics are "flatter" or at much truer to the actual sound of a rig then a 57 or many other options. The Royer 121's certainly aren't "flat" but lots of people like those...
Though, you say you like a very true response? How about an omni mic? Maybe a dynamic like the EV635? Or an Earthworks? Maybe a 414 TLII is more to your liking? Or a KM184?
I've used, and continue to use all kinds of mics solo and in combination on guitar amps...
R121 & SF1; 409; 609; 421; 441; U87s; TLM103; 193; 47Fets; M147; U67 (when around!); SM69; Beyer M88; M260; 201; EV RE20; Rode NTV; Blue baby bottles & bottles; CMV563; various 414s but not the old silver EBs; D112, D12; 451s, Shure Beta 52; Green Bullets; SM81; crown PZMs; AT4050; 4047; etc. etc.
Whatever works in the context of the music... the larger picture and makes everyone happy. Thats what I like. I'm also one of those freaks who doesn't believe in "guitar" mics, or "vocal" mics... or "drum" mics.
Microphones are microphones.
I use 'em for recording.
Sometimes you need a #2 phillps... sometimes a framing hammer, and other times a cement mixer and 3 meter level with a couple of trowels is whats needed to get the job done.
Funny though, last weekend I did a theater gig... brought the Nuendo rig in with a splitter and bank of preamps behind the stage... had some of the guys from Railroad Earth on stage with the main act... and with about two dozen inputs there wasn't a single SM57 or 58 used the entire night!
Re: The Microphone Poll: SM57, I5, or ???
I had a PR30 for a while. Never really liked it. Sounded SUPER clean but sterile. Sorta phasey too. I sold it on ebay.
I had a PR30 for a while. Never really liked it. Sounded SUPER clean but sterile. Sorta phasey too. I sold it on ebay.
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: The Microphone Poll: SM57, I5, or ???
I've used a 609 once or twice, and it's definitely far preferable to an SM57, for live sound at the very least. Tonality aside, the ability to do away with the mic stand is a huge plus, especially when the stage is so small your butt is 6 inches away from your amp.
I've used a 609 once or twice, and it's definitely far preferable to an SM57, for live sound at the very least. Tonality aside, the ability to do away with the mic stand is a huge plus, especially when the stage is so small your butt is 6 inches away from your amp.
