Andrew Lamprecht
Minion of One
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
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There are some things I just don't understand.
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AudioWonderland
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Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
Come on I6. I already read those posts. No need to delete them now. Not to mention you left Andrew hangin' by removing the context of his comment
Come on I6. I already read those posts. No need to delete them now. Not to mention you left Andrew hangin' by removing the context of his comment
Agileguy_101
Master of his Domain
ImmortalSix
John Mayer's Mankini
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
I said that it seemed like the only people who actually needed to know what was going on in the conversation coincidentally seemed like the only 2 people who didn't :laughing:
I deleted the post because it didn't add to the conversation.
Time-in!
I said that it seemed like the only people who actually needed to know what was going on in the conversation coincidentally seemed like the only 2 people who didn't :laughing:
I deleted the post because it didn't add to the conversation.
Time-in!
Inkstained
New member
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
"Bolt-on necks had the longest sustain and neck through designs had the shortest sustain. The study also included listening evaluations, where people listened to recordings of single notes and tried to pick out the longest sustaining note. They could not detect any difference in sustain between the different neck designs."
This information is rocking my world. I guess we're not going to see Epiphone ads citing this data.
"Bolt-on necks had the longest sustain and neck through designs had the shortest sustain. The study also included listening evaluations, where people listened to recordings of single notes and tried to pick out the longest sustaining note. They could not detect any difference in sustain between the different neck designs."
This information is rocking my world. I guess we're not going to see Epiphone ads citing this data.
youngthrasher9
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Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
I6, did the scientist mention the type and amount of glue used? It could be a determining factor if an extremely liberal amount of glue was applied. Not to be contradictory or anything, but I've grown to question scientific experiments due to the illegitamacy of lots of them.
I6, did the scientist mention the type and amount of glue used? It could be a determining factor if an extremely liberal amount of glue was applied. Not to be contradictory or anything, but I've grown to question scientific experiments due to the illegitamacy of lots of them.
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
You really think you can hear the difference between a little glue and a lot of glue? I'm calling BS. If theres enough glue that the joint is solid a little more wont make a difference in tone.
You really think you can hear the difference between a little glue and a lot of glue? I'm calling BS. If theres enough glue that the joint is solid a little more wont make a difference in tone.
Powdered Toast Man
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Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
It does say the guy who did it was a luthier, so I would surmise that he'd be using the materials and methods common to guitar building.
It does say the guy who did it was a luthier, so I would surmise that he'd be using the materials and methods common to guitar building.
ImmortalSix
John Mayer's Mankini
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
If you want to track down the full text, look for Mottola, R.M. “Sustain and Electric Guitar Neck Joint Type” American Lutherie #91, 2007, p. 52.
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If you want to track down the full text, look for Mottola, R.M. “Sustain and Electric Guitar Neck Joint Type” American Lutherie #91, 2007, p. 52.
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blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
You're drawing conclusions and then blaming me for them. Oh boy. I said I don't care for bolt-ons and wouldn't pay big bucks for one. I said nothing about the quality of the guitars. Again, personal preference. I like all the things that typically come with set necks. That's what I'm comfortable with. I love everything about an LP; a Strat feels weird in my hands; I'm sure Strat players feel the same about LP's. It's the whole package, not just the neck attachment. I'm making no other claims about the quality of set vs bolt-on guitars. You haven't seen me mired in this tone/sustain argument. I'm not saying which is 'better', just what I like. The OP asked for our opinions on how we'd spend our money and I shared mine. Please, let this sink in before you respond again.
You're drawing conclusions and then blaming me for them. Oh boy. I said I don't care for bolt-ons and wouldn't pay big bucks for one. I said nothing about the quality of the guitars. Again, personal preference. I like all the things that typically come with set necks. That's what I'm comfortable with. I love everything about an LP; a Strat feels weird in my hands; I'm sure Strat players feel the same about LP's. It's the whole package, not just the neck attachment. I'm making no other claims about the quality of set vs bolt-on guitars. You haven't seen me mired in this tone/sustain argument. I'm not saying which is 'better', just what I like. The OP asked for our opinions on how we'd spend our money and I shared mine. Please, let this sink in before you respond again.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
Agree on all points. And thanks for your support. :friday: I expect guys to get worked up if I make wild claims (especially for the humor aspect, which I do from time to time when I get bored); so false alarm this time, call off the dogs and go back to sleep.
Agree on all points. And thanks for your support. :friday: I expect guys to get worked up if I make wild claims (especially for the humor aspect, which I do from time to time when I get bored); so false alarm this time, call off the dogs and go back to sleep.
youngthrasher9
New member
Kam
Shaftologist
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
Not really. He posted erroneous opinions stated as fact and you said that you agreed with him. He didn't ask what kind of guitar you'd rather spend lots of money on. He said that he didn't know why people bought bolt ons because they lack sustain and playability.
Which is wrong.
And you agreed with him.
So I called you on it.
Okay. I'll take more time on my posts if you would please try not to attempt to patronise me like this.
Look, man, if this was a misunderstanding then both of us are to blame and I apologise for the part that I played. But you must be able to see where I'm coming from here, right? You can't expect people to read your mind. If you're going to agree with an incorrect statement then you should at least give a couple of reasons as to why.
Not really. He posted erroneous opinions stated as fact and you said that you agreed with him. He didn't ask what kind of guitar you'd rather spend lots of money on. He said that he didn't know why people bought bolt ons because they lack sustain and playability.
Which is wrong.
And you agreed with him.
So I called you on it.
Okay. I'll take more time on my posts if you would please try not to attempt to patronise me like this.
Look, man, if this was a misunderstanding then both of us are to blame and I apologise for the part that I played. But you must be able to see where I'm coming from here, right? You can't expect people to read your mind. If you're going to agree with an incorrect statement then you should at least give a couple of reasons as to why.
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youngthrasher9
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ImmortalSix
John Mayer's Mankini
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
Enough!
Back to set neck vs. bolt on.
I find that my set necks have a mid focus, and that my bolt ons carry bass better
Enough!
Back to set neck vs. bolt on.
I find that my set necks have a mid focus, and that my bolt ons carry bass better
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
I find that my bolt-ons are awesome guitars, and that my set neck is a Gretsch Duo Jet (also an awesome guitar).
I find that my bolt-ons are awesome guitars, and that my set neck is a Gretsch Duo Jet (also an awesome guitar).
Kam
Shaftologist
Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
I'm aware of that. It was Blueman's agreement with your sentences that didn't end in a question mark that I was objecting to.
Fair enough. Sorry for the derail.
As always, your wish is my command. I'm done.
I've found this, too, but my guitars have been so vastly different in other respects that I have trouble attributing that completely to the way the neck is attached.
I actually think this is a discussion that really needs Orpheo's input. I believe he stated recently (through some bizarre analogy about houses on poles or something) that when compared to set neck Gibson Les Pauls, his bolt on Warmoth Les Pauls generally had a firmer, tighter low end with a faster attack.
I'm actually interested in discussing this, too. Thanks to I6's research, I think we know that the premise of set necks having more sustain is a myth, but why do we think that? I remember believing it back when I just started getting interested in different types of gear. I just sort of accepted it as fact without giving it too much thought. I also remember seeing it a lot on the music forums I visited at the time.
So, where does it come from? Is it just because Les Pauls are famous for having a lot of sustain and everyone just kind of assumes that it's because their necks are glued in? Is it proliferated by advertising?
I'm aware of that. It was Blueman's agreement with your sentences that didn't end in a question mark that I was objecting to.
Fair enough. Sorry for the derail.
As always, your wish is my command. I'm done.
I've found this, too, but my guitars have been so vastly different in other respects that I have trouble attributing that completely to the way the neck is attached.
I actually think this is a discussion that really needs Orpheo's input. I believe he stated recently (through some bizarre analogy about houses on poles or something) that when compared to set neck Gibson Les Pauls, his bolt on Warmoth Les Pauls generally had a firmer, tighter low end with a faster attack.
I'm actually interested in discussing this, too. Thanks to I6's research, I think we know that the premise of set necks having more sustain is a myth, but why do we think that? I remember believing it back when I just started getting interested in different types of gear. I just sort of accepted it as fact without giving it too much thought. I also remember seeing it a lot on the music forums I visited at the time.
So, where does it come from? Is it just because Les Pauls are famous for having a lot of sustain and everyone just kind of assumes that it's because their necks are glued in? Is it proliferated by advertising?
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jcthejester13
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Re: There are some things I just don't understand.
I have found that if you don't play a guitar for any reason other than it sounds like ****, you are a piece of garbage.
I have found that if you don't play a guitar for any reason other than it sounds like ****, you are a piece of garbage.
