Things that make you go holy F%&C!
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Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
Small hands and/or optical illusion from 2D photo of 3D item...its just 4.33 mm across (0.170"). Barely bigger than a thick bass string. Its in no way small, but its not ridiculous big or gag huge either
I have this link saved in my bookmarks and i keep coming back to it and saying holy ****. Look at those dimensions! Here is a series of emotions i go through when i see it ------> :eyecrazy::naughty::scratchch :banghead::14::naughty:
http://www.allparts.com/LT-0877-000-Jumbo-Fret-Wire_p_2080.html
Oh here is a pic i found.
Small hands and/or optical illusion from 2D photo of 3D item...its just 4.33 mm across (0.170"). Barely bigger than a thick bass string. Its in no way small, but its not ridiculous big or gag huge either
Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
Uhm...not quite. Ibanez has shipped most if not all of its Wizard-equipped instruments with pretty huge Jumbo fretwire from the factory
Uhm...not quite. Ibanez has shipped most if not all of its Wizard-equipped instruments with pretty huge Jumbo fretwire from the factory
Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
Incorrect. Compared to other frets on the market, those are freaking huge. 6100s are .110" wide & .055" tall. These are .060" wider and .047" taller. That is a gargantuan difference in fret terms.
Incorrect. Compared to other frets on the market, those are freaking huge. 6100s are .110" wide & .055" tall. These are .060" wider and .047" taller. That is a gargantuan difference in fret terms.
kramersteen
PowerMetalRaph
Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
Oh **** that's not mine i found it on another forum so i don't know.
Oh **** that's not mine i found it on another forum so i don't know.
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
I'd want to try those on a scalloped fretboard, just for the lolz.
I'd want to try those on a scalloped fretboard, just for the lolz.
Rockstar216
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Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
Now this really puts it in perspective. Thats a big azz fret. Since I like super low almost vintage spec frets I doubt I'd like these very much but i'd try em out.
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Now this really puts it in perspective. Thats a big azz fret. Since I like super low almost vintage spec frets I doubt I'd like these very much but i'd try em out.
Rockstar216
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Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
He could play Layne from A.I.C if they were to ever make a movie about the band.
He could play Layne from A.I.C if they were to ever make a movie about the band.
Justin Read
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Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
High frets don`t wear faster than low frets unless you`re using strings with a harder alloy on the instrument with higher frets.
And even in that case, the difference for an average player would be in the range of recrowning 1 or 2 months earlier after approx. 10 years of use. BTW the height of these frets is a huge advantage in that respect, becasue they can easily be recrowned 10-15-20 times before needing actual replacement (though of course they wont feel like railroad ties anymore after 10-50 levels...)
But how fret material is somehow supposed to affect Intonation i`m not even going to try to understand....
Not necessarily. The size of the fret`s crown is irrelevant to how much pressure it puts on the sides of the fret slot, the width of the tang is the imortant measurement for this operation. And the tang is most likely within the standard spectrum.
The ONLY reason for fret size to make any difference in intonation whatsoever is IMPROPER TECHNIQUE, specifically a ham fist for a fretting hand.
You are not supposed to try and press the strings through the fretboard. You are only supposed to press as hard as necessary to have firm contact with the intended fret without string buzzing. YOur fretting finger will ideally be directly on the fret or 1-2 mm behind it, not in the middle of a 2 cm long air gap so that it can be stretched out of tune with as much ease as possible..
It not only has intonation "advantages", but it also has actual, physical advantages, like reducing fatigue in the fretting hand and contributing significantly less to ailments such as CTS. So you`re not just mishandling the instrument by fretting like a vise, you`Re also actively making playing harder for yourself and destroying your own body.
So with all due respect, if high fretwire is causing intonation problems for anyone, regardless of who you are, you need an entry level lesson and not a change to the instrument
High frets don`t wear faster than low frets unless you`re using strings with a harder alloy on the instrument with higher frets.
And even in that case, the difference for an average player would be in the range of recrowning 1 or 2 months earlier after approx. 10 years of use. BTW the height of these frets is a huge advantage in that respect, becasue they can easily be recrowned 10-15-20 times before needing actual replacement (though of course they wont feel like railroad ties anymore after 10-50 levels...)
But how fret material is somehow supposed to affect Intonation i`m not even going to try to understand....
Not necessarily. The size of the fret`s crown is irrelevant to how much pressure it puts on the sides of the fret slot, the width of the tang is the imortant measurement for this operation. And the tang is most likely within the standard spectrum.
I`m going to be blunt here:
The ONLY reason for fret size to make any difference in intonation whatsoever is IMPROPER TECHNIQUE, specifically a ham fist for a fretting hand.
You are not supposed to try and press the strings through the fretboard. You are only supposed to press as hard as necessary to have firm contact with the intended fret without string buzzing. YOur fretting finger will ideally be directly on the fret or 1-2 mm behind it, not in the middle of a 2 cm long air gap so that it can be stretched out of tune with as much ease as possible..
It not only has intonation "advantages", but it also has actual, physical advantages, like reducing fatigue in the fretting hand and contributing significantly less to ailments such as CTS. So you`re not just mishandling the instrument by fretting like a vise, you`Re also actively making playing harder for yourself and destroying your own body.
So with all due respect, if high fretwire is causing intonation problems for anyone, regardless of who you are, you need an entry level lesson and not a change to the instrument
Dr. Vegetable
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Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
Um, ouch! I once stuck my finger into an RC airplane propellor at full RPMs. Yours is worse.
Excellent point.
I picked up one of those cheapo 3/4-scale strats for my young son to thrash on. Due to the short scale it is extremely sensitive to finger pressure intonation problems. Once I realized this, I started to practice regularly on that POS just to work on proper finger pressure. The same thing happens on any guitar, but sometimes you need to hear the comic book version of yourself to recognize what's going on.
Um, ouch! I once stuck my finger into an RC airplane propellor at full RPMs. Yours is worse.
The ONLY reason for fret size to make any difference in intonation whatsoever is IMPROPER TECHNIQUE, specifically a ham fist for a fretting hand.
You are not supposed to try and press the strings through the fretboard. You are only supposed to press as hard as necessary to have firm contact with the intended fret without string buzzing. YOur fretting finger will ideally be directly on the fret or 1-2 mm behind it, not in the middle of a 2 cm long air gap so that it can be stretched out of tune with as much ease as possible..
It not only has intonation "advantages", but it also has actual, physical advantages, like reducing fatigue in the fretting hand and contributing significantly less to ailments such as CTS. So you`re not just mishandling the instrument by fretting like a vise, you`Re also actively making playing harder for yourself and destroying your own body.
So with all due respect, if high fretwire is causing intonation problems for anyone, regardless of who you are, you need an entry level lesson and not a change to the instrument
Excellent point.
I picked up one of those cheapo 3/4-scale strats for my young son to thrash on. Due to the short scale it is extremely sensitive to finger pressure intonation problems. Once I realized this, I started to practice regularly on that POS just to work on proper finger pressure. The same thing happens on any guitar, but sometimes you need to hear the comic book version of yourself to recognize what's going on.
Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
The point is that the wider the fret is, the more critical a proper crown is. And as a wider fret wears, there is more surface area for the string to deviate from the center point of the fret. As a narrower fret wears, there is less deviation from the center point. So you could go longer without a level/crown on narrower frets and still have decent intonation. That's all we're saying. Then again maybe the wider frets, with more metal, would wear slower anyway, so it wouldn't really matter.
P.S. You might want to skip that extra cup of java.
High frets don`t wear faster than low frets unless you`re using strings with a harder alloy on the instrument with higher frets.
And even in that case, the difference for an average player would be in the range of recrowning 1 or 2 months earlier after approx. 10 years of use. BTW the height of these frets is a huge advantage in that respect, becasue they can easily be recrowned 10-15-20 times before needing actual replacement (though of course they wont feel like railroad ties anymore after 10-50 levels...)
But how fret material is somehow supposed to affect Intonation i`m not even going to try to understand....
Not necessarily. The size of the fret`s crown is irrelevant to how much pressure it puts on the sides of the fret slot, the width of the tang is the imortant measurement for this operation. And the tang is most likely within the standard spectrum.
I`m going to be blunt here:
The ONLY reason for fret size to make any difference in intonation whatsoever is IMPROPER TECHNIQUE, specifically a ham fist for a fretting hand.
You are not supposed to try and press the strings through the fretboard. You are only supposed to press as hard as necessary to have firm contact with the intended fret without string buzzing. YOur fretting finger will ideally be directly on the fret or 1-2 mm behind it, not in the middle of a 2 cm long air gap so that it can be stretched out of tune with as much ease as possible..
It not only has intonation "advantages", but it also has actual, physical advantages, like reducing fatigue in the fretting hand and contributing significantly less to ailments such as CTS. So you`re not just mishandling the instrument by fretting like a vise, you`Re also actively making playing harder for yourself and destroying your own body.
So with all due respect, if high fretwire is causing intonation problems for anyone, regardless of who you are, you need an entry level lesson and not a change to the instrument
The point is that the wider the fret is, the more critical a proper crown is. And as a wider fret wears, there is more surface area for the string to deviate from the center point of the fret. As a narrower fret wears, there is less deviation from the center point. So you could go longer without a level/crown on narrower frets and still have decent intonation. That's all we're saying. Then again maybe the wider frets, with more metal, would wear slower anyway, so it wouldn't really matter.
P.S. You might want to skip that extra cup of java.
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kramersteen
PowerMetalRaph
Re: Things that make you go holy F%&C!
Zerb has returned with even more wisdom. good to see.
Zerb has returned with even more wisdom. good to see.
