Thinking about ordering my first set of custom pickups... thoughts?

[Rex_Rocker]

I've always liked the JB, but hated the Jazz. I've always liked the Black Winter set, but have always been curious how they would sound with A5 magnets.

I was thinking about ordering a Black Winter set but with Alnico 5 magnets, glossy black bobbins, dual black allen screws, and a black logo with the Black Winter font.

I was going to throw the possibility of having them slightly underwound for added clarity and bite.

What do you guys think? Think the CS would be up for it?

 

[beaubrummels]

I would just put A5s and spacers in a BW set myself. That's a lot of money just for a mag swap on a stock pickup. I'm sure the Custom Shop will make whatever you want. If you're paying the Custom Shop, I would tell them what music/sounds you like, examples of bridge and neck tones, what guitar body it's going in and it's tone characteristics (bright, warm, etc.), and let them figure out what it takes to make that sound.

 

[Mincer]

Yes, the Custom Shop will build what you want, but if what you have in mind is a *sound* vs *specs*, tell them the sound you want and they will come up with the recipe to get there. Many times it is not what I would have thought, but the sound is always right.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Yeah, on second thoughts, I think I'm going more for looks here rather than sound. I want the Blackened Black Winters, but with glossy bobbins.

I wonder if I can get those as a Custom Floor model rather to save some money?

 

[Top-L]

I've always liked the JB, but hated the Jazz. I've always liked the Black Winter set, but have always been curious how they would sound with A5 magnets.

I was thinking about ordering a Black Winter set but with Alnico 5 magnets, glossy black bobbins, dual black allen screws, and a black logo with the Black Winter font.

I was going to throw the possibility of having them slightly underwound for added clarity and bite.

What do you guys think? Think the CS would be up for it?

I learned a very important lesson 30 years ago with my first seymour duncan custom order.

I ordered a Custom Custom in custom color bobbins. Waited 3 months for delivery. And when I got the pickup, I really didn't like it at all.

 

[dave74]

I'd think the BW winding with the A5 mag would be really clanky in the upper mids. Much more-so than the Nazgul IMO.

 

[Clint 55]

They can handle broad spex like that and imo that's the best way to get what you want. From my point of view, ur BW idea sounds cool. I like all ur spex. You could also go for an underwound JB bridge and a matching appropriate heat level JB neck. That would be cool.

 

[Overlord]

How about try the BBW neck in the bridge position?
I've been interested in trying that myself.
From there you could change to an A5 and see how you like it before you make a custom order.
Could give you a better idea what you're looking for.

 

[Mincer]

Yeah, on second thoughts, I think I'm going more for looks here rather than sound. I want the Blackened Black Winters, but with glossy bobbins.

I wonder if I can get those as a Custom Floor model rather to save some money?

Yeah, you should be able to order that from any authorized dealer.

 

[Demanic]

I would just put A5s and spacers in a BW set myself. That's a lot of money just for a mag swap on a stock pickup. I'm sure the Custom Shop will make whatever you want. If you're paying the Custom Shop, I would tell them what music/sounds you like, examples of bridge and neck tones, what guitar body it's going in and it's tone characteristics (bright, warm, etc.), and let them figure out what it takes to make that sound.

I would think that an A5 in a BW would sound similar to an underwound Custom 5.

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[eclecticsynergy]

For a cosmetic difference, shop floor custom is a lot more affordable than full-on Custom Shop.
If you're looking for a particular tone, I'd trust MJ over trying to imagine how changes would turn out.
As mentioned already, when you mod a pickup sometime the results are not as expected.

 

[beaubrummels]

I would think that an A5 in a BW would sound similar to an underwound Custom 5.

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A BW is lower in output than the Custom? They feel about the same to me, if not the BW more. I'd picture an underwound Custom 5 sounding like a Jazz Bridge. But I actually don't know what an underwound Custom would sound like to start with.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Yeah, you should be able to order that from any authorized dealer.

I think I'll try that, rather. Thanks!

 

[Demanic]

A BW is lower in output than the Custom? They feel about the same to me, if not the BW more. I'd picture an underwound Custom 5 sounding like a Jazz Bridge. But I actually don't know what an underwound Custom would sound like to start with.

Well, BW is around 13K with triple ceramic magnets. Custom is ~14k with a single regular thickness ceramic. With an A5, Custom 5.
The BW wind is probably different, but if you go from triple ceramic to single A5, it's probably going to make it more scooped.

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[Mincer]

I think the high end of the Custom might make it seem louder than the BW, too.

 

[orpheo]

Well, BW is around 13K with triple ceramic magnets. Custom is ~14k with a single regular thickness ceramic. With an A5, Custom 5.
The BW wind is probably different, but if you go from triple ceramic to single A5, it's probably going to make it more scooped.

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BW Bridge is 17K? Not 13?

A BW alnico V. Guess who tried that. Yup, yours truly.

It is very, very close to a JB. The highs aren't as sharp, more midrange, low end is more pronounced

BW underwound, I'd say, Nazgul but that one doesn't have the triple mag setup (which gives the BW it's extremely even tonal characteristic).
BW underwound A5, would go into Custom5 or perpetual burn territory, but an issue is that if you peel off 44awg to make it underwound, you end up with a very thin tone that lacks any kind of oompf.

BW Neck is very similar to the SH6n, but again, with that evenness in its EQ. The SH6N is way sharper, picky, sharp. I love the SH6n in the bridge of a strat, by the way.

 

[larryguitar]

BW Bridge is 17K? Not 13?

A BW alnico V. Guess who tried that. Yup, yours truly.

It is very, very close to a JB. The highs aren't as sharp, more midrange, low end is more pronounced

BW underwound, I'd say, Nazgul but that one doesn't have the triple mag setup (which gives the BW it's extremely even tonal characteristic).
BW underwound A5, would go into Custom5 or perpetual burn territory, but an issue is that if you peel off 44awg to make it underwound, you end up with a very thin tone that lacks any kind of oompf.

BW Neck is very similar to the SH6n, but again, with that evenness in its EQ. The SH6N is way sharper, picky, sharp. I love the SH6n in the bridge of a strat, by the way.

Sort of unrelated (sorry), but does anyone have a pic of how SD does the triple magnets? I've never seen one, and I'm trying to picture the layout.

Larry

 

[Rex_Rocker]

BW Bridge is 17K? Not 13?

He was saying the BW-N rather with an A5 would be sorta like an underwound Custom 5, I think?

It is very, very close to a JB. The highs aren't as sharp, more midrange, low end is more pronounced

That sounds like something I'd like!​​​

Sort of unrelated (sorry), but does anyone have a pic of how SD does the triple magnets? I've never seen one, and I'm trying to picture the layout.

Awww, I just sold my regular BW and I'm delivering it later today. I'd rather not peel the tape before I give it to the buyer, because I find those tapes never come back on the same way they were on. Otherwise, I'd gladly snap a pick for you. Sorry.

 

[Clint 55]

The triple ceramic magnets are double thick and 1 goes in the middle like normal, then 2 go in the spacer area.

This should really be done with alnico to fill out vintage bridge hums. I might take on the project as an act of good will after I get some $$ coming in.

 

[Demanic]

BW Bridge is 17K? Not 13?

A BW alnico V. Guess who tried that. Yup, yours truly.

It is very, very close to a JB. The highs aren't as sharp, more midrange, low end is more pronounced

BW underwound, I'd say, Nazgul but that one doesn't have the triple mag setup (which gives the BW it's extremely even tonal characteristic).
BW underwound A5, would go into Custom5 or perpetual burn territory, but an issue is that if you peel off 44awg to make it underwound, you end up with a very thin tone that lacks any kind of oompf.

BW Neck is very similar to the SH6n, but again, with that evenness in its EQ. The SH6N is way sharper, picky, sharp. I love the SH6n in the bridge of a strat, by the way.

Oops, my mistake.

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