MetalManiac
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Fender to cash in on the DIY assembly Market
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This Just In..Move over Warmoth!
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Rand-O-Monium
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Wow...
Wow...
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
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It'd be much better if the price was way less, and you had more options. It is cheaper to buy a USA Standard Fender already than to buy USA Standard Fender parts from their DIY section. Isn't the whole point of DIY to save money?
Pretty redundant Fender, especially since your Tele necks have the amazing diverse options of Maple/Maple USA Standard necks, Rosewood/Maple USA Standard necks, and Maple/Maple Mexican Standard necks.
What about unfinished? Rosewood/maple/ebony fretboard choices? Number of frets? Fret wire (SS or nickel)? 7.25", 9.5", or 12" radius choices? Neck thickness? Neck shape? Heel or headstock truss rod adjustment?
All of those are just basics. Don't get me started on tuners, nuts, binding, and inlays.
It'd be much better if the price was way less, and you had more options. It is cheaper to buy a USA Standard Fender already than to buy USA Standard Fender parts from their DIY section. Isn't the whole point of DIY to save money?
Pretty redundant Fender, especially since your Tele necks have the amazing diverse options of Maple/Maple USA Standard necks, Rosewood/Maple USA Standard necks, and Maple/Maple Mexican Standard necks.
What about unfinished? Rosewood/maple/ebony fretboard choices? Number of frets? Fret wire (SS or nickel)? 7.25", 9.5", or 12" radius choices? Neck thickness? Neck shape? Heel or headstock truss rod adjustment?
All of those are just basics. Don't get me started on tuners, nuts, binding, and inlays.
Diminished Triad
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The Warmoth kits I ordered arrived and impress me. I agree with CTN....really a different standard from what it appears on each website. I'd like to see a finished Fender guitar from their kits and see how it compares. If anything Fender's entry into this market may help to keep other competitors' prices reasonable.
The Warmoth kits I ordered arrived and impress me. I agree with CTN....really a different standard from what it appears on each website. I'd like to see a finished Fender guitar from their kits and see how it compares. If anything Fender's entry into this market may help to keep other competitors' prices reasonable.
ImmortalSix
John Mayer's Mankini
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Finally, Someone who gets it. The whole point of this is not to sell guitar necks and guitar bodies.
It's to make sure that if you are going to buy a guitar, not a body and neck.
If a Fender Standard is $500 and to put it together yourself is $570 + hardware & electronics, the case to buy a genuine Fender, pre-made, factory warrantied, ready-to-play gets stronger.
FENDER SELLS GUITARS
Finally, Someone who gets it. The whole point of this is not to sell guitar necks and guitar bodies.
It's to make sure that if you are going to buy a guitar, not a body and neck.
If a Fender Standard is $500 and to put it together yourself is $570 + hardware & electronics, the case to buy a genuine Fender, pre-made, factory warrantied, ready-to-play gets stronger.
FENDER SELLS GUITARS
Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
Re: This Just In..Move over Warmoth!
I've never played a Fender that's come even close to Warmoth in quality, tone and feel. Brand names mean nothing, it's 2013. This is boring news to me; a player plays and a poser poses. Good for Fender for finally realizing people like options, because they are Fender they will sell. Welcome to the 2000's Fender :welcome:
I've never played a Fender that's come even close to Warmoth in quality, tone and feel. Brand names mean nothing, it's 2013. This is boring news to me; a player plays and a poser poses. Good for Fender for finally realizing people like options, because they are Fender they will sell. Welcome to the 2000's Fender :welcome:
King IzzO)))
Ultimate Kitten Puncher
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Yeah, um, I'd still rather have a warmoth neck.
Yeah, um, I'd still rather have a warmoth neck.
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
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Hopefully they'll pass this idea down to Jackson so we can buy necks and bodies direct, even if they're foreign-made. I've got 2 USA Jacksons, 3 Custom Shop Jacksons, and 8 import Jackson mutts. I'd love to have those 8 mutts as CS models, but that's just not feasible.
Hopefully they'll pass this idea down to Jackson so we can buy necks and bodies direct, even if they're foreign-made. I've got 2 USA Jacksons, 3 Custom Shop Jacksons, and 8 import Jackson mutts. I'd love to have those 8 mutts as CS models, but that's just not feasible.
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Funkfingers
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The parts that make up my Warmoth La Cabronita Telecaster project guitar were sourced from several separate places - eBay, Warmoth, a UK Gretsch/TVJones specialist dealer, my local GraphTech stockist and the other guitarist in my teens/twenties cover versions band.
Other than having to scrape away some excess paint in the neck pocket, everything has fitted together perfectly. My project guitar is of equal quality to the American Fender product. It has the advantage of a bigger neck, huge frets and a rosewood fingerboard.
The parts that make up my Warmoth La Cabronita Telecaster project guitar were sourced from several separate places - eBay, Warmoth, a UK Gretsch/TVJones specialist dealer, my local GraphTech stockist and the other guitarist in my teens/twenties cover versions band.
Other than having to scrape away some excess paint in the neck pocket, everything has fitted together perfectly. My project guitar is of equal quality to the American Fender product. It has the advantage of a bigger neck, huge frets and a rosewood fingerboard.
Edgecrusher
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Re: This Just In..Move over Warmoth!
So Midget Koala and DT are one and the same?
So Midget Koala and DT are one and the same?
Hairmail
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I was just going to post about this. I find them a bit pricey but they do come already finished and I get the feeling you're also paying for the name. And why do the USA strat necks cost $100 more than the bodies? If I were to put together a parts strat I'd probably still go warmoth because they actually let you choose what you want.
I was just going to post about this. I find them a bit pricey but they do come already finished and I get the feeling you're also paying for the name. And why do the USA strat necks cost $100 more than the bodies? If I were to put together a parts strat I'd probably still go warmoth because they actually let you choose what you want.
Chocklit_Thunda
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Re: This Just In..Move over Warmoth!
The thing most of you guys going on about Warmoth don't understand is that we on the forums are not normal everyday guitarists who know jack squat about swapping out pickups and necks and electronics and fret wire sizes and material.... To those people the name is everything. Fender and Gibson are the pinnacle of guitars for them and so on their first foray into the DIY world who do you think they're gonna choose? Expensive as hell Warmoth who can give them everything except what they really want (the logo) or Fender who do?
Clearly we aren't the target market. Brand snobs are.
Also... Do you realise how common maple is up in North America?? It's shocking that you guys would go the Warmoth or USACG route when you have materials to make your own in abundance.... Try getting good maple in Africa....
/rant
The thing most of you guys going on about Warmoth don't understand is that we on the forums are not normal everyday guitarists who know jack squat about swapping out pickups and necks and electronics and fret wire sizes and material.... To those people the name is everything. Fender and Gibson are the pinnacle of guitars for them and so on their first foray into the DIY world who do you think they're gonna choose? Expensive as hell Warmoth who can give them everything except what they really want (the logo) or Fender who do?
Clearly we aren't the target market. Brand snobs are.
Also... Do you realise how common maple is up in North America?? It's shocking that you guys would go the Warmoth or USACG route when you have materials to make your own in abundance.... Try getting good maple in Africa....
/rant
Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
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I understand what you are saying about Fender or Gibson. The thing about Warmoth is they can give you everything you want, far beyond the scope of what Fender or Gibson could offer. I realize it's a big world to step into (the DIY) for beginners or people who do not have as much time to tinker with their instruments, but for those who do, the tonewoods, fret size & material, scale length, nut width, type of bridge, choice of pickups and quality of workmanship mean a lot more than a Fender or Gibson logo and play an important role in shaping the comfort and tone of the individual player.
Do you know how lucky you are to have access to woods like Wenge, Bubinga and Macassar Ebony in Africa? These are true prized tonewoods! Maple is ok, but I never use it at all for a neck. I actually can't stand it. I like Swamp Ash from North America and that's obviously only as a body wood.
Oh, and compared to Fender's prices, Warmoth is cheap! Some Maple necks go for as little as $200 from Warmoth, some Indian Rosewood necks go for as little as $280!!!! I'm sorry, but for my money, I want the quality over social status 10 times out of 10. I'm broke, I can't afford to make mistakes when purchasing a guitar, money is too hard to come by these days to ever consider a standard Fender neck for $500 over a very, very nice Warmoth neck for $300.
The thing most of you guys going on about Warmoth don't understand is that we on the forums are not normal everyday guitarists who know jack squat about swapping out pickups and necks and electronics and fret wire sizes and material.... To those people the name is everything. Fender and Gibson are the pinnacle of guitars for them and so on their first foray into the DIY world who do you think they're gonna choose? Expensive as hell Warmoth who can give them everything except what they really want (the logo) or Fender who do?
Clearly we aren't the target market. Brand snobs are.
Also... Do you realise how common maple is up in North America?? It's shocking that you guys would go the Warmoth or USACG route when you have materials to make your own in abundance.... Try getting good maple in Africa....
/rant
I understand what you are saying about Fender or Gibson. The thing about Warmoth is they can give you everything you want, far beyond the scope of what Fender or Gibson could offer. I realize it's a big world to step into (the DIY) for beginners or people who do not have as much time to tinker with their instruments, but for those who do, the tonewoods, fret size & material, scale length, nut width, type of bridge, choice of pickups and quality of workmanship mean a lot more than a Fender or Gibson logo and play an important role in shaping the comfort and tone of the individual player.
Do you know how lucky you are to have access to woods like Wenge, Bubinga and Macassar Ebony in Africa? These are true prized tonewoods! Maple is ok, but I never use it at all for a neck. I actually can't stand it. I like Swamp Ash from North America and that's obviously only as a body wood.
Oh, and compared to Fender's prices, Warmoth is cheap! Some Maple necks go for as little as $200 from Warmoth, some Indian Rosewood necks go for as little as $280!!!! I'm sorry, but for my money, I want the quality over social status 10 times out of 10. I'm broke, I can't afford to make mistakes when purchasing a guitar, money is too hard to come by these days to ever consider a standard Fender neck for $500 over a very, very nice Warmoth neck for $300.
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Chocklit_Thunda
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Unfortunately, no.... Most of the higher grade wood goes to you guys and Europe (in general) . We're pretty much 3rd world in the southern hemisphere. It's more about making money here than quality. But I think that you guys and EU keep your highest grade stuff and import the lesser goods. We can get the woods locally but not the AAAAA - AAA grades and stuff... I guess it's needed to keep our economies going while larger countries like the US and European countries already have a strong enough economy that they don't have to export their A grade stuff and so the people get access to it.
Granted, 500 is way expensive for a neck (but its got a name on it) but then so is 300 when you can get a solid mighty mite for under 200 and a GFS neck (both of mine from them have been superb) for under 50. All the GFS needed was to have the frets cleaned up and minor work. Same basic materials between them, say a rosewood board and maple neck. Somehow I don't think a little extra care and a nitro finish should account for a $200 price hike.
Unfortunately, no.... Most of the higher grade wood goes to you guys and Europe (in general) . We're pretty much 3rd world in the southern hemisphere. It's more about making money here than quality. But I think that you guys and EU keep your highest grade stuff and import the lesser goods. We can get the woods locally but not the AAAAA - AAA grades and stuff... I guess it's needed to keep our economies going while larger countries like the US and European countries already have a strong enough economy that they don't have to export their A grade stuff and so the people get access to it.
Granted, 500 is way expensive for a neck (but its got a name on it) but then so is 300 when you can get a solid mighty mite for under 200 and a GFS neck (both of mine from them have been superb) for under 50. All the GFS needed was to have the frets cleaned up and minor work. Same basic materials between them, say a rosewood board and maple neck. Somehow I don't think a little extra care and a nitro finish should account for a $200 price hike.
AudioWonderland
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Normal everyday guitarists who know jack squat about swapping out pickups and necks and electronics and fret wire sizes and material are not going to be looking to build a guitar because they don't have the skills and certainly would buy a full blown assembled USA strat because it would be a lot less expensive than the neck/body plus all of the hardware and electronics.
We most certainly are the target market.
Fender has done this before, failed miserably, and got out of this business. They either need to step up and compete for real or stop wasting their time. They may sell some necks because of the logo but that won't sell anything else.. At the prices they are asking this is likely to be failure number two for them in this arena
The thing most of you guys going on about Warmoth don't understand is that we on the forums are not normal everyday guitarists who know jack squat about swapping out pickups and necks and electronics and fret wire sizes and material.... To those people the name is everything. Fender and Gibson are the pinnacle of guitars for them and so on their first foray into the DIY world who do you think they're gonna choose? Expensive as hell Warmoth who can give them everything except what they really want (the logo) or Fender who do?
Clearly we aren't the target market. Brand snobs are.
Also... Do you realise how common maple is up in North America?? It's shocking that you guys would go the Warmoth or USACG route when you have materials to make your own in abundance.... Try getting good maple in Africa....
/rant
Normal everyday guitarists who know jack squat about swapping out pickups and necks and electronics and fret wire sizes and material are not going to be looking to build a guitar because they don't have the skills and certainly would buy a full blown assembled USA strat because it would be a lot less expensive than the neck/body plus all of the hardware and electronics.
We most certainly are the target market.
Fender has done this before, failed miserably, and got out of this business. They either need to step up and compete for real or stop wasting their time. They may sell some necks because of the logo but that won't sell anything else.. At the prices they are asking this is likely to be failure number two for them in this arena
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KeeperOS
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Re: This Just In..Move over Warmoth!
What they seem to be missing is that there already are Original Fender Necks and Bodies on the market right now, it's called EBAY.
If they REALLY want to get in this market then they should at least TRY to give incentives for the DYI guy to prefer the factory-built (for) parts over the parted-out-from-an-original-fender-instrument parts, namely choice.
For instance, I don't see why I should pay a 300 premium if all I want is a 22-fretted neck for my Mexi-Strat. Also, what if I don't jive with the Modern C shape or the stock frets?
As things stand right now all I can think is that they want to strengthen the incentives for people to buy complete Fender guitars (which they can THEN part out, keep the part they originally needed and sell the rest to recoup part of the cost or if they're creative enough, even possibly make a nice profit).
What they seem to be missing is that there already are Original Fender Necks and Bodies on the market right now, it's called EBAY.
If they REALLY want to get in this market then they should at least TRY to give incentives for the DYI guy to prefer the factory-built (for) parts over the parted-out-from-an-original-fender-instrument parts, namely choice.
For instance, I don't see why I should pay a 300 premium if all I want is a 22-fretted neck for my Mexi-Strat. Also, what if I don't jive with the Modern C shape or the stock frets?
As things stand right now all I can think is that they want to strengthen the incentives for people to buy complete Fender guitars (which they can THEN part out, keep the part they originally needed and sell the rest to recoup part of the cost or if they're creative enough, even possibly make a nice profit).
ErikH
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Re: This Just In..Move over Warmoth!
As I posted in the other thread (by I6):
This is actually not new. You could always get a replacement neck or body from them just by calling and providing the serial number of the guitar and reason for the replacement. It's just that now they are joining in on the replacement parts business by putting it out there with prices. Great idea, but I wonder if they are a little late coming in to the game. In addition, there are no customization options. You are limited to what is offered which matches what is offered on complete instruments.
As I posted in the other thread (by I6):
This is actually not new. You could always get a replacement neck or body from them just by calling and providing the serial number of the guitar and reason for the replacement. It's just that now they are joining in on the replacement parts business by putting it out there with prices. Great idea, but I wonder if they are a little late coming in to the game. In addition, there are no customization options. You are limited to what is offered which matches what is offered on complete instruments.
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